How to build a great football team

Agree that lines need help (depth at very least) and everything starts w/good line play.

D-Line: not comfortable with DE's. Ellis is 32 and isn't getting younger. Kenyon Coleman is good but think the jets could get better at the position and hope the DE position is addressed in first 3 rounds.

O-Line depth will be a Day 2 issue i believe. saw a note that callahan has been down at univ. of maryland working guys out (don't ask for link cause i don't remember where i saw that)

 

I don't understand some of the opinions on Ellis over the past few years. He played well in the 4-3 until Herm's last year and then he's been very good in the 3-4 including a spectacular year last year.

To me, Ellis is/has been the definition of an anchor on the defensive line. In addition,he has been versatile throughout his career playing DE in the 4-3 and 3-4 and even spending some time at OLB in the 3-4.

 

I'd like to see us address OL/DL depth in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

Especially !!
Also, Fanaca isn't getting any younger

 

At the age of 32, this anchor is sinking fast. Jets can't over look this fact....the older you get the more prone you are to having that 'down-hill' year, veteran players tend to get.

 

the problem is that people on this site continue to not understand what a 3-4 de does. they have no concept of the position. its not a high sack position, its not a high tackle position, its not a high profile position. its basically a dt who takes up blockers just like the ng does. most if not all of the good des in the 3-4 were dts in college. almost none of them were the high profile rush type 4-3 des. but around here everybody wants ellis to be a big time 4-3 de who has 15 sacks a year. they simply fail to understand the position.

i have always given this kid credit as he has been jerked around more by this team than anyone i can remember. he dealt with it at least 2 years if not 3 with the sperm, he has dealt with the move to a 3-4... and he does nothing but continue to play and do a pretty good job. fact is 3-4 des usually dont go to the probowl. but their lbs do.

 

People also forget that Ellis was drafted to play 3-4 DE by Parcells/Groh and did pretty well his rookie season as well.

 

very true i forgot that!

to play devils advocate, those guys never won a championship, but once upon a time we drafted this guy who did lead us to a championship and he didnt have anything to do with any kind of line... that would be joe namath.... i guess it works both ways. and sometimes you just have to get lucky like we did drafting klecko in the 6th and gastineau out of wherever he came from

 

All good picks except fpr Mark Merrill, he was a stiff...

 

I not saying that Ellis is going to play forever, but considering the year he had last season a major drop-off in the next two seasons isn't all that likely.

I'd be interesting to see a study about 4-3 vs. 3-4 DEs. It would seem to me that 3-4 DEs would have more longevity because they are generally in on less tackles and usually aren't getting blindsided by RBs when they go after the QB. Basically they just have to occupy blockers and aren't changing direction all that much.

 

THe last regime did a good job in the draft.

 

A main problem with Herm was not only the neglect of replenishing the offensive line with developing young talent, but also keeping the talent they had. Randy Thomas could've been kept. Kareem just wanted out. Nothing they can do there. But at no time did they really develop a young offensive line, and it was priority number 1 when Mangini got here.

That being said I hope Tannenbaum doesn't forget the valuable lesson learned. Drafting and developing offensive line talent in the early to mid rounds is extremely important to increase the depth and cohesiveness of an offensive line. Faneca is getting older. Woody is getting older and there's no depth behind him. Moore Ferguson and Mangold are a solid foundation, and all are locked in at least for next year. So in my opinion the offensive line depth is something that can be addressed in the later rounds.

On the defensive side of the ball if we come away in the first round with a Tyson Jackson in the first or a trade down and Gilbert in the late first or Brace in the second, I'll be in agreement with the philosophy. This d line needs young talent NOW. Ellis really had an underrated year but he's 32. Coleman is serviceable and Jenkins is a force but needs to be spelled by someone not named Sione Pouha.

 

The last regime as in Bradway / Herm?

There are only TWO players that are still on the team from the 2001 - 2005 drafts which Bradway / Herm were responsible for, and one of them is Bryan Thomas. (Sure players went to other teams, but that doesn't mean that they drafted well for the Jets.)

In fact, Shaun Ellis, Bryan Thomas and Kerry Rhodes are the only Jets drafted from 2000 - 2005 still on the team. Overall, only 20 or so players on the active roster were drafted by the Jets.

 

No I meant Mangini's regime. I guess I didnt realize Tannenbaum is still here. Whatever.

 

Sorry, man. Wasn't trying to be a jerk. I just was shocked when I looked at the results of the Bradway drafts.

 

Dont forget that we picked up Douglas from Bmore...hes not that young but hes good depth and can spell Coleman or even start.

 

yeah almost all of them arent here anymore... its bad, really bad.

 

every draft should have some oline/dline depth............it all starts at the trenches

 

Good stuff edge. Walt should have never been let go after the 82 season.