Yes, what is Miles Austin? A third year WR with 18 receptions. I'd rather spend that 2nd rounder on a WR who the front office feels can come in and get 18 receptions in his first season. Learn. Progress. And by his 3rd year be an established #1 or #2 target for the QB of our future. But I guess Austin is what? 6'2 215 with 4.4 speed? Raiderjoe must love him.
I'm sorry..Did you say something...I don't really speak gibberish. Here is the question. Does a guy that has survived in the NFL for three seasons offer you a better bet than a second round WR ? Ummm Yes...would be the correct answer. (oh..and btw the word is scenario...)
Survived in the NFL? Hobbes I'm usually right on key with you , and I don't exactly disagree with you in anyway, but there are tons of players that have survived the NFL, heck..there are guys that are UFA's right now that have survived the NFL AND have been pretty decent in the NFL. but like evojoe, your defeating the purpose of the draft. A guy like Robiskie is going to come in and produce right away. In what way does a guy that has SURVIVED the NFL for 3 years a better bet than a second round WR. Marques Colston went undrafted, showed the saints he could play and produced much better in one year, then Miles Austin did in 3. That is the point of the draft...To find guys who can produce immediately. It is a risk, but we have Clowney and a bunch of other wide receivers who can fill the void.
A draft pick is worth a dream much like a lottery ticket and a first day draft pick is a dream of catching lightning in a bottel, a great player with unlimited upside, a player who can turn your franchise around. Even better it's our player from day one the rookie who makes good and starts making you believe in the team. We have a couple of WR on the roster who could be very good players, I wouldn't draft a WR with our 1 or our 2 because this team has need all over it. Keep building the team through the draft and bring in great players through FA when they don't bust your cap and they don't cost you first day picks. Miles Austin is at best going to be a solid surprise as a good number 2 WR. After 41 years I'm all for the lottery ticket.
Just to make it clear, I very much doubt that Miles Austin is worth a 6th round pick at this point, let alone a 2nd round pick. Paying that much for him is like pissing value away, and if the Jets had not frequently done this over the last 8 years I wouldn't even entertain the notion that they might be stupid enough to do this. We can very easily become a lousy franchise again, not the 50/50 jobbo we've been recently. All it takes is bad management and ownership.
for the record, i was not advocating the jets making the trade for austin. i was just saying what i believe he'd have to do to be worth the 2nd rder. 70 catches or so. there's too much receiver talent in this draft to give away a 2nd for a guy who can't beat out the hurd's or drayton's of the cowpokes. why it's rumored to be so by the jets is beyond beleiveable!!
Well then im going to assume Raiderjoe has good taste... I'm not an Austin expert.. but from what I have seen he has great talent and a huge amount of untapped potential. Just becase Dallas didn't take advantage of his ability for the first few years he was in the league, doesn't mean he's not worth a 2nd rounder. 6'2 215 with 4.4 speed, whats not to like about those numbers.. and not only is he fast.. but he gets to his top speed quick.
Charles Rogers was 6'2 220 with 4.4 speed. We should all know by now those numbers are not the barometer for success. I realize any young WR would be burried beneath TO and Terry Glenn/Crayton. But Austin was also beneath Sam fricken Hurd on the depth chart. So I'll gladly hang on to that 2nd rd pick of ours. Thanks.
For a lower pick and a low risk/high reward contract I'm all for Miles. But forgive me for being dead set a second rounder after the Mccareins,Hatchette and Curtis Conway Debacles.
Matthew Hatchette. Justin McCareins. Big, fast, potential are worth exactly nothing in the NFL. Production, now that's worth something.
Justin McCareins survived in almost identical fashion to Miles Austin right up until the point we traded a second round pick for him. I'm sick of spending too much for these 'diamonds in the rough' that turn out to be well-disguised rabbit turds.
I'm not saying I want Austin or that I'm dead set on selecting/signing guys based solely on potential..but potential HAS to mean something in terms of player evaluation and management. If it didn't, guys like Erik Coleman,Victor Hobson, and Marcus Mcneill would still be considered solid starters after outstanding rookie campaigns. What we later learned is that they were productive college players capable of PLAYING at the next level..but lacked any longlasting potential. Additionally players like D'brickashaw Ferguson,Terell Suggs,Terell Owens,Kris Jenkins,Haloti Ngota,Dallas Clark,Chad Johnson(Ochocinco) and many others would've likely never been drafted as high as some of them were..and wouldve never stuck on NFL rosters for more than 2 years if they werent allowed to reach their ceilings. The fact is..you have to find a happy medium between production AND potential..otherwise..the job would be very easy. And I'm sure you'd agree it's NOT.
