In 2007, Clemens had no running game, no pass blocking and no defense. I bet the Jets average starting field position was their own 28 that year. He deserves this shot and I think he'll excel. He might not be a 4200 25+ TD guy but I think he can be a highly efficient QB.
And Steve Young would have done just as bad as Clemens with a Tackle and Guard who are no longer in Football and games where his primary targets were Wallace Wright and Brad Smith. Chad had better protections and the full team for more of the season than Clemens and he went 1-8 and was in the Mvp Running this year. Clemens was 3-4 with much worse than Chad had and could have been 5-2 if not for some dropped passes. Nobody can succeed with no line. Peyton Manning, Joe Montana or anybody else.
I would be suprised if Rats doesn't beat him out. Ratliff has so much raw talent; he is use to being in this spot and I believe he will make the most of it.
I am looking forward to the competition. Should be fun to watch. I was hoping this was the scenario last year, but that got derailed.
Young is one of the most overarted QBs in history. Great fantasy QB but not a great postseason QB. he was like a peyton manning is today except Peyton wasn't handed a dynasty.
Just think, had things not happened as they did, Chad would have won the job (last year), we would have been in the playoffs, Mandouche would still be here and we would be picking in the mid to upper 20's.
I love how everyone says Cutler wasn't worth what they wanted, and we should give our guys a chance. In the same breath they are saying that the edge was we didn't have a starting QB to give along with picks. So where does that logic fit? Our QBs aren't good enough to trade along with picks, but we should give them a chance? Zaney shit.
We do not have a proven starter, one that has even started more than 8 games. Orton started about 32.
Also, the idea is that they're under Schotty, still. Wasn't Schotty the problem? I don't get this team....it's constant contradiction.
I wouldn't look at Orton as the long term starter myself. But the only reasoning I can see is that Orton has won alot more than lost. Whether that is more on the strength of the Bears D or a testament to him is yet to be seen. But he won with little weapons on offense. But things are not looking good for Denver. Now I see Brandon Marshall will be out until July after surgery.
Yeah so much raw talent that he wasn't even drafted and hasn't been able to sniff a regular season game in three years.
Jtuds I am ready for the competition to start. I am not going to go back to 2007 or training camp 2008 and consider KC a bust. I am confident that he will come through for us. I am just as confident that Ratliff will give him a run for the money and could just as easy take the reigns. What makes me excited is that at least we are giving our 3 guys a chance to compete. If one or two come through for us we will have the makings of a solid team. I was happy as s$%^ we did not mortgage all of our picks for Cutler. We need to stop talking about building a team from the draft and actually doing it. Let training camp put all the discussions to rest. We might even see the first indication of how confident the FO is with our QBs on draft day. If we go QB I would be pissed, but will tell us that one or more of the QB on our depth chart will go.
I agree that KC has been a class act and not complained about the situation. However, my trepidation with KC is not his demeanor, but rather his 'mental toughness'. In TC last year, he had a chance to beat out CP. Now Chad is a great TC QB, so it would have been a tough task, but KC did not make it close. Every day I was reading on here how KC threw another interception or 2. He was pressing when it mattered, crunch time for him. When the pressure was on, he failed. That is what bothers me about KC. He did not make it a tough decision. so when BF became available, the Jets jumped. Oh, and btw, the Jets courted BF. They came to Brett, not the other way around. If they thought KC was the answer, more to the point if KC made them think that he could be the answer, they would not have pursued Favre. I am happy to be wrong, and I hope he succeeds, but if we go with the current 3, QB1 will be Ratliff or possibly Ainge if he knows the playbook.
This gets back to Schott's confidence level in CLemens and Ratliff. I am hopeful that while from the view from outside the team the Jets do not have a proven starter that Schott's confidence is justified. This would be an understanding that would address Johnny's question why it both makes sense to say the Jets were not desperate for a Qb at the same time they do not have a proven one in the eyes of other teams. There is a logic to this. A reality? I guess we will be finding out.
I think he has more experience than Cassel, when Cassel was elevated to #1 QB. I am not saying Ratliff is a lock to happen, but there is a chance.
Nobody here knows who is going to be our starting QB. I love the posters who act like they know who our best QB is. One guy had a few starts on a monumentally crappy team and one guy has not even played against starters yet.
This is the key right here. The argument has been bandied about recently that the Jets couldn't possibly be considering Clemens and Ratliff for the QB spot, and will obviously make a desperation move at a starter in the next few weeks. However, there's a reason why you have both a coach and a GM. Ryan very well may feel comfortable going into the season with Ratliff or Clemens, while realizing that it's foolish not to consider options that would at least be an upgrade in certainty. Having said that, it's also good to remember that a GM has to keep the success of the team in mind AND the success of the franchise. While Ryan could be confident in a Clemens or Ratliff led team, it's ridiculous to think that they bring as much to the business as a Cutler would. It's an important financial time for the franchise, and Tanny gets paid to think of that side, too. Of course he's going to go after big names like Favre and Cutler. Of course he'll consider drafting a QB. However, that just may be more of a sign of our perception of the QB position than of the reality. As Blocker says, we'll see.
