I would like to think we might have a grade A coach that can get the other two playing to their True potential. How good could a player actually be in the mangini era when you have to play scared to make a mistake all game long. Not to mention David Harris was also MIA last year as well.
I agree with you on Mangold, Rhodes and Harris. Oddly Harris was hurt during our good stretch and wasn't much help at the end of the year when he was back. Keyshawn probably would have had a better career if he stayed here and kept playing with Vinny.
I obviously wasn't around to see the players mentioned, but I'd say it's hardly a black and white issue when it comes to measuring the best drafts in Jets history. On the one hand, it's impossible to dispute that the Jets' drafts in the mid-60s have had the greatest impact on the team's success. However, in those AFL drafts, the Jets were essentially selecting against, what, 9 other teams? Sure, the players had to make a choice between the team that selected them in the NFL draft and the AFL draft, complicating things, but the Jets were at least able to select a greater concentration of talent. I doubt we'll be able to determine the success of the past 4 years of draft classes for another few years, but from where I'm sitting, they are at least the best consecutive drafts in our NFL history, made even more impressive by the number of teams selecting players.
I believe the 1st common draft of the 2 leagues was 71 & up to then the players were drafted by BOTH leagues & then it was up to those 2 teams to attempt to sign the player. In JWN case Wberlin was in charge then & he was in the record biz so he knew about showmanship & he just outbid the Cards for JWN services. At that time what JWN received a little over 400 Gs was a total shocker to the other FB teams that were around at that time.
Tannenbaum also had two seasons where he was drafting in the top 6 in 3 drafts and also had to unload our best Defensive player in order to draft our center. I think you have to go back to the 70's to have the same GM have 3 drafts with two top 6 picks?
Right now Ryan talks a GREAT line but who knows if he will turn out to be the best or worst HC we ever have. It is far to early to label him grade A or grade D. The proof will be in the pudding come next Jan when his grade is in.
Uh, that's what I just said. The first common draft was in 1967, though. I'm surprised you didn't realize that, given your superior knowledge and love of all things pre-1970.
That is because U never saw the players in the 60s played for starters. As for the best drafts in our history as U claim then explain why we are still devoid of our 2nd VLT?
& the players mentioned by Winny were pre 67 draftees & they are the ones who led us to the our VLT so it is exactly correct what he posted. Since the SB3 win zero, zippo, nada no championships which means the players we selected thru the last 40 years did not have the right stuff
I think you're right. The last time I can recall having two top 6 picks was 96-97, but there was a rather significant change in GM between those years. I think 97 is a rather underrated draft, given what happened to the players involved in that 97 draft. We acquired Parcells. Farrior turned out to be a great LB, but left us. Leon Johnson, gained in the trade for the #1 pick, showed some brilliance before his injuries. Jason Ferguson in the 7th. Of course, there were some truly terrible picks mixed in there, and we traded out of the spots used for Walter Jones and Orlando Pace...
As I said, the claim was made for NFL drafts, not AFL. Also, perhaps you missed this? If we're talking about best drafts period, it's no contest. That wasn't the original discussion, though. It's a bit soon to complain that our last 3 drafts haven't netted a VLT, isn't it?
Yes, he was correct. The point, however, was made with respect to the article. As I pointed out, pre-67 drafts were irrelevant to the article.
You're talking to the wall now, bro. Champ is in his "I know more then everyone" rants today. Nothing after 1969 matters to him.
I'm going by my memory and I don't remember it the way you do. As I recall, at the time, Powell was thought of similarly as people view Dbrick now. For most of his career, maybe until the last couple years--he was viewed as a solid player but not as good as you thought he was going to be. Ward was solid from the get-go and never was considered disappointing. Now, I could be wrong. Do you or anyone else agree with me on this?
I remember it the other way around. Both were highly-touted #1 picks, Powell from USC in 77 and Ward from Ohio State in 78, considered to be our bookends. For the most part they were but I don't know if Ward ever matched Powell. I was young but I remember not only a lot of Ward holding penalties, but at the worst times and calling back big plays. Powell's career ended kind of suddenly but he did go to a handful of Pro Bowls, he and Anthony Munoz of the Bengals were the premiere tackles back then. I don't know if Ward ever made the Pro Bowl, he was eventually replaced by Reggie McElroy.
Marvin Powell was an outstanding player and outright performed up to high expectations. Ward on the other hand was supposed to be a road grader run blocker who never developed into a decent pass protector, was a turnstyle and holding penalty on passing downs his entire career. Seafood is on the money you have this backwards. He is also right that Powell went off the cliff at the end and did not do a slow burn out. He went from pro bowl caliber player to out of the league overnight but still had an excellent run at a very high level. Hard to name 5 players for the Jets who played at his level as long as he did.
I don't think Ward was as good as Powell. I agree on farrior. Farrior was actually a bad pick when you factor in that we had the top pick and trdaed back. Instead of a fracnhise LT in Orlando Pace we got a LB that had 1 good year(his contract year) in 5 years and blossomed w/ another team. Hugh douglas was a tad overrated but we didn't get enough in return for him.
Wasn't Douglas also rather publicly refusing to switch defensive schemes? That likely limited our hand a bit.
