Would Mangini agree to a three way trade? It seems that the universe is in agreement: the only way the Jets could get Cutler is by making a three way trade involving Cleveland, where Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson would go to Denver. Now, would Mangini, who tries to copy Belichick in everything he does, imitate Belichick's spite, and refuse to a trade just to spite the Jets? I mean, I assume the trade would be something along the lines of: To NYJ: Jay Cutler To DEN: Brady Quinn New York 2nd To CLE: 2010 New York 1st Conditional draft pick from DEN Now, that seems like a fair trade all around: Cleveland gets more than fair value for Quinn, the Jets get their franchise QB, Denver gets a replacement for Quinn and a solid selection in this year's draft. A) would you sign for this deal and B) would Mangini?
No I would not sign for this deal. and I think Mangini would, just because he is not sold on Quinn nor Derek Anderson. He definitely wants to get rid of one of them, but Quinn has more trade value.
Mangini has no say, he is nothing more than the coach. Just like Ryan has no say, neither does Mangini.
Teams who don't give their HC any say in player acquisition are failures. That's a moron way to run a franchise. And I also think it's a misconception among fans. Or just a way to scapegoat GMs to homer-out for HCs.
I think Denver would need more then that for Cutler. A conditional pick from us next year with stipulations similar to the Favre trade would be fine with me.
I have a better trade idea, but I'm going to start my own thread for it instead of putting it in this or one of the other 76 Cutler threads.
I'm pretty sure the HC works with the GM, and he has some say as far as the guys he would like to coach, fit into there offensive schemes, etc... This is why there was a problem in Denver, because McDaniels didn't want Cutler, and tried to work to get Cassell there. The Head Coach definitely has say on the players on his roster, or could potentially be on his roster.
Well, it's the way the Jets are running theirs. If you listened to all the speeches on the day Ryan was introduced, Johnson, Tannenbaum and Ryan all said that Tannenbaum had 100% of the decision process in personnel decisions. It is not unusual. Even if Mangini had any say it would only be which of the QBs he wanted to keep and which he wanted to get rid of. He would never have any say in what team got involved or didn't. That never falls to a coach to decide.
Look people Mangini doesn't own the team and he is not even the general manager. In Belechik case he has more say than the GM and goes right to the owner where he is joint by the hip. So if the Browns feel its best for the team the deal will go thru!
yeah denver would need more. Not a ton more, but definitely something of value. Perhaps BT and a conditional pick next year, plus take away the pick they send to cleveland. Maybe send Elam to cleveland to get back like a 5th or 6th either as part of the deal or as a seperate deal
If that's what it takes, that's fine by me. Cutler would win us a lot more games in the long run than Leon would.
I would definitely make that trade. A backup RB and draft pick for a 25 yr old top flight QB? Sign me up.
He doesn't have 100% of the decision process, he just has final say on personnel matters. That's completely different. The coaches and gm's of successful teams work together to aquire players, that's why they're...successful.
He has 100%. Johnson used that number and Tannenbaum used that number. He has complete say, period. Nobody else has any say at all. They can suggest all they want and Tannenbaum will do whatever he wants to do in the end. He can even over rule Jonson himself. In fact the question was asked of Johnson, "do you want Favre back?" and Johnson answerd by saying "yes but Mike has 100% say in all personnel decisions". "He will decide".
He has final say and he works WITH the coach. There is a huge difference. Do you honestly think we've signed all of these ex-Ravens and Ryan has had no input? Come on.
