I have been watching this team since the mid 60's we have had three QB's take this team to the AFC finals and one took them all the way. The thing all three had in common was great arms, great throwing ability, none of them were very bright, all of them threw tons of INT's and when they were sorrounded with sound coaching and talent they won big time because in the end QB's have to make great throws to win against great competition.
I think that Cutler has seized the oppertuntity and is using this McDaniles situation as an excuse to get himself out of Denver , where its apparent that hes not happy. When he first heard about the possible trade , I'll bet his face lit up , and knew that he could use this situation to his advantage , I mean really he should have just knuckled down and got on with it. Whatever the reason , some team is going to get a very good QB.
I really liked Cutler before this whole ordeal, but he is showing himself to be a real pre-madona. Not sure how he would take playing in New York under constant scrutiny. He has the skill set to be one of the best, but I think we would have to give up way to much for him
Then go grab Kyle Boller on the cheap. Great throwing ability. To be honest, I don't see your point. It seems like you're saying, I don't give a shit what kind of leadership qualities or mental capacity our QB has, as long as he can throw a ball through a wall. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but that's what I'm seeing. Get talent around them and they're going to win big time. That's exactly what I'm saying! And it's exactly what you just said. Give our guys a shot and save those picks to gather talent around them!
I love it when people compare the shittiest strong arm QB they can think of to any QB with a gun like it's a bad thing and a direct correlation. Big arm = <insert shitty strong armed QB here>. GTFOH. Boller couldn't hold Cutlers jock and there's no comparison. Obviously you need more than a strong arm to be a great QB. Having one helps out a lot though, especially in the NFL. I'm certain WB wasn't trying to say all you need is a big arm. Cutler can read a defense just fine. You have no idea what kind of leadership ability he has, and neither does anyone else on here. He has no impact on what his players on defense do. He had the best 3rd down conversion percentage in the league. You don't do that with just a strong arm.
You're taking it out of context. I'm comparing throwing ability, plain and simple. That was the discussion. So yeah, I'll throw Boller out there. Why do we have no idea what kind of leadership ability he has? He's a malcontent and has had reported issues with teammates. That's not a leader. I agree with your other points, I just don't see him as a leader. To me, that's enough to not jump on the bandwagon of people that want to throw away every draft pick we have to get him.
You narrowed the discussion down to throwing ability and made it seem like WB said that was the only requirement when he never did. People want to call him a malcontent because he's demanding a trade. I agree that makes his mental makeup a question mark but I don't see how it speaks to his leadership. The only time I remember reading about him having a problem with a teammate is when Marshall kept getting in trouble. He basically called him out and told him to stop fucking up. If you ask me, that was him acting like a leader, not being a malcontent. Show me the reports that give evidence of him not being a leader.
I don't know what he was saying if that's not what he was saying. He basically said "give me a gunslinger that throws a ton of picks and has a strong arm and is not too bright". If his post didn't read like that, then apparently I can't read. But that's EXACTLY how it read. You might infer something other than that because usually I find WB to be more insightful than that, but not from what was said. I'm just saying, I only read the words in front of my face, and that's basically what it came off as. As for his leadership and his immaturity, this latest rift is just that; it's the latest. Someone said earlier that when he called out Marshall publicly, that was him being a leader. NO, that was him passing the buck and being anything but a leader. He did the same thing when asked why they didn't win games at Vanderbilt. He blamed his teammates! Speculation has it that he's not very well liked by teammates. You've heard the comments from Kerry Rhodes as well. I mean, basically what I'm saying is, where there's smoke, there's fire.
Please tell us about all the others. So far we know of him demanding a trade and the Marshall incident. I guess it depends on how you want to look at it. Marshall had a number of run ins with the law and Cutler basically said he was sick of it and he needed to stop fucking up. How is that blaming his team mate for a loss? I've never heard about this. I'm not arguing that it's false, I've just never heard it. Do you have a link or anything? Speculation by who? When? What, huh?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2009/03/the-cutler-did-it.html There's also a comment from somebody down the bottom so I knew I wasn't going crazy when I remember hearing that Rhodes refused to talk about Cutler after a game because he didn't like him. The Cutler Did It March 16, 2009 He did it, all right. He requested a trade. Jay Cutler wants out of Denver, raising the obvious question: Could he land with the Jets? Don't bet on it. Even though there have been numerous reports today about the Jets monitoring the Cutler-Broncos feud, I suspect this is more of a dipping-the-toes-in-the-pool situation, as opposed to a cannonball. Let's face it: GM Mike Tannenbaum wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't check into the availability of Cutler. I mean, it's not like the Jets are set at quarterback with Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Erik Ainge. But I don't get the feeling that Tannenbaum views Cutler as The Answer. I heard people on the radio comparing Cutler to a young Brett Favre. Puh-leeze! He's no Brett Favre. Sure, he's got a cannon for an arm, but Cutler is a whiny cry baby. It takes thick skin to play quarterback in New York, and Cutler doesn't have it. He needs to grow up. Frankly, I don't think the Jets were that enamored of Cutler when he came out of Vanderbilt in 2006. They passed on him with the fourth pick in the draft, and I believe the highest-rated QB on their board was Matt Leinart. At the time, I think the Jets were turned off by the fact that he didn't win a lot in college. In Denver, his starting record is 17-20, with no playoff appearances. He's doing an awful lot of complaing for a quarterback who's never been to the postseason. That said, the Jets still need to make a call, to find out what it would take to get him. The dude can flat out throw the football. But they should proceed with caution. The prettiest girl in the room isn't always the right girl.
The below article illustrates what I'm trying to say about the Marshall situation. In my opinion, he should have handled it in house if he's a leader. Complaining to the media is not exactly the way to go. http://threestrikesandout.com/2008/04/01/jay-cutler-throws-teammate-under-the-bus/ Denver quarterback Jay Cutler had some interesting things to say about wide receiver Brandon Marshall, who has had a string of off-field incidents that have been anything but positive. According to Fox, Cutler had more than a few things to say about Marshall?s problems: ?Yeah, he?s not my favorite person right now,? Cutler said. ?I mean, I support him, but it?s always something with him right now.? I think that Cutler?s idea of supporting Marshall, is a little different from my idea of supporting someone. ?His DUI was a wakeup call,? Cutler retorted. ?He?s had many wakeup calls. I mean, he?s been in (coach Mike) Shanahan?s office many times. I?ve been up there with him. He said the same thing: ?This is a wakeup call. This is the last thing that?s going to happen. Blah blah blah.? I mean, until he goes out and proves it, we?ll see what happens.? Blah blah blah, isn?t exactly what I would call supporting Marshall, although Cutler says that he has a good relationship with Marshall: ?I love Brandon to death and he?s a great kid at heart. I don?t think he goes out there looking for trouble. He?s not at bars late. He?s not doing those things that other people do. It?s just something about him. He?s always into something?. For starters, Cutler can drop the great kid stuff, the last time I checked they were both 24, so he can quit trying to act like Tom Brady talking about a draft pick. If he really had Marshall?s back, the last place that he would criticize him would be in the media. That?s a bush move from a quarterback that?s trying to get his team to follow him. The Broncos are also trying to make the playoffs for the first time since 2005, which also, coincidentally was followed by Cutler being drafted and given the quarterback position. So he might want to think about that the next time he drives the bus over a teammate. That being said, Marshall is the guy who hurt himself when he tripped over an empty McDonald?s wrapper. But that just means he better not line up across from Grimace or the Hamburglar. Grimace is the Purple People Eater and he makes Ray Lewis look like Jerry Seinfeld; and the Hamburglar spends time in places that PacMan Jones stays away from. And I don?t mean libraries.
I'm looking for an article about the Vandy thing, but to be honest, haven't found it. Could have sworn I read it, but you can throw that argument out the window. I've got no proof.
Im really high on trading for Cutler but Im not really sure about trading away our whole draft for the guy...Lets be honest here, he's no Manning or Brady but not many are. I like his size @ 6'3 weighing about 235... He really has one of the best strong arms in the game today and I like that he's only 25 years of age with a full two seasons as a starter...@ the age of 25, the experience is already there and he's still learning and becoming a better QB and thats whats impressive to me. He's also a gun slinger and when you think of Gun slinger you think of Favre and when (I) think I favre I think of a great player, an amazing warrior but...I always think about those crazy INTs that he threw his whole career and the thing with Cutler...He throws more TD's than INTs and thats what really matters if you ask me. His 1st year with Denver...He only played 5 games and threw 9 TD's with 5 INTs In 2007 he started all 16 games and threw 20 TD's with 14 INT's And last year he threw for 25 TD's with 18 INTs He also has a career completion % of 62.5 which is really good for a QB who throws the ball deep All in all...I would LOVE Cutler, Im just not sure that he's worth our top draft picks
OK so let's summarize. 1) You never told us about any of these other rifts where "this was only the latest". I have to assume you were full of hot air on that one. 2) To make your point about the Marshall situation you took a beat reports opinion. I disagree with the reporter. Obviously you agree with him. Regardless, there's no evidence that he was blaming Marshall for a loss. That was something you seem to have made up. 3) You conceded the Vanderbilt thing. 4) As for his teammates not liking him, your only evidence was a random guy posted a comment about a Cutler article that Kerry Rhodes doesn't like him. Rhodes isn't even his team mate first of all, and who the hell cares what random guy on the internet has to say? You've built a house of cards. I don't think it's standing anymore.
1) I used the wrong term when I said "rifts". This was the only "rift" that I knew of with the Denver organization. What I basically meant was there have been several instances where his character/leadership/maturity have come into question, and this being the latest one. 2) Did you not read those quotes? Are you serious here? He went to the press bitching and moaning about him. He called Marshall out, not to the team, but to the media. Forget what the beat writer says. His words speak for themselves. And maybe I said something about a loss, but I don't recall that. If I said anything about a loss, that was a mistake. I'm just saying he went to the press to bitch and moan about Marshall. I do remember Marshall blaming himself for a loss because of a costly drop, and I seem to remember Cutler pinning that on him as well, but I could be wrong. I might be tricking myself into that one because of how much I'm questioning Cutler's character. Regardless, I still think his words speak for themselves on that and I don't really see how you can even think of including this in an argument against me here. 3) I concede the Vanderbilt thing. 4) Like I said, all I've heard is that there are teammates that don't like him. I don't know what you want from me on that. Factual information? You get on my case about getting something from what somebody said or something from someone's blog...stuff like this isn't news! It's speculation. ESPN isn't going to report "This just in! Eddie Royal doesn't like Jay Cutler! Cutler's Feelings Hurt!" With all that said, I'm not convinced that he's not a leader either, but I'm also not convinced that he is. Anyway, here's an article worth reading that has opened my eyes a bit on Cutler, and I'm not nearly as against the idea of getting Cutler as I was because of it. It is much more supportive of your argument than mine, but it also shows that EXACTLY the stuff I was saying are common thoughts about Cutler. Like I said, where there's smoke, there's fire. Maybe he works out, but he's the kind of guy that if we were to go after him, there are certainly questions to look into with regards to some of this stuff. http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/358077-whos-the-real-jay-cutler
Basically a lot of people around the league seem to have a problem with him. I just find it hard to believe that it's all completely unwarranted.
And you know what, after just reading that one that gave me a pro Cutler perspective, I'll read one like this that just puts a bad taste in my mouth. I can't make a clear decision on the kid, and it's enough to make me very iffy on him. I just have a bad feeling. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/98033-is-jay-cutler-a-punk
I read the quotes before you posted them. I agree with what Cutler said. Marshall needs to grow up and stop doing stupid shit. The reporter was asking about Marshall and he answered. No where does he talk about Marshall costing them a game in those comments. comments from people that read an article are hardly anything I would put stock into. If you want an example ESPN story like the one you're joking about see T.O./Romo/Witten last year. I'm sure ESPN would be ALL over a story like that. Neither am I. How could I be? Everything you've posted seems to say that you're sure he's not until this snippet.
