What are you basing your statement that "Cutler can't even cut it in Denver" on? I'm not sure but has Cutler shown he couldn't handle himself in the media before this McDaniels fiasco? I think not. McDaniels is another decendent of the Belicheck coaching tree with the same people skills as all the other jerkoffs who coached under him. Mangini is hated in Cleveland before even coaching his first game. McDaniels already creating waves in Denver before coaching his, and Weis at Notre Dame is despised as well, as he is an arrogant jerkoff who allienates the base. Denver will rue the day they hired McDaniels. This is the beginning of the end for that franchise. Their loss should be our gain. This is a deal that can shift the balance of power in the AFC, and not only in the east. I seem to remember a few years ago Cutler stood up and called out one of his star recievers (Marshall?) and held him accountable to the team. This is what leaders are made of. This is what you pay a franchise QB to do besides throw the ball all over the field. Cutler's a leader. This is something sorely lacking on this JETS team forever. I love Cutlers attitude. I love his brashness. I think he would be great for NY. All you detracters in my opinion have no merit. This guy being available is a once in a lifetime opportunity to install a face of the franchise for the next 10+ years. You DO NOT let something like this opportunity slip through your fingers. You just can't.
Despite his great talent and amazing arm, I believe he's also a volatile situation waiting to happen every season no matter where he's playing. In his short career, I've heard him bitch and moan and whine more than any other QB playing in the league right now. Just this season alone: They fired his coach against his wishes....waaaa. They considered trading him...waaaaaa. Much bigger trades happen every year in every sport, with proven winners being forced to relocate overnight for what any team thinks is going to benefit the team. Get over it Jay. I know he's got the tools to win, but why hasn't he won anything yet? A poor defense isn't an excuse...score more points if your defense is such a weakness. Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan proved they're better QB's than Jay Cutler in their rookie years, based on end results alone - not statistics. Maybe Kellen Clemens with an NFL-caliber offensive line is better than his short stint with the JV line of '07. Maybe Ratliff really IS this diamond in the rough people are prophesizing about here at tgg. Maybe Ainge is the newest best kept secret phenom just waiting to sprout. Maybe one of these guys is absolutely terrible in training camp, but absolutely stellar in the frying pan of a real season. There ARE geniuses in the world who test miserably too, and training camps and preseasons are just that - tests. No one knows anything about NFL talent until it's seen in live combat. How can three untested younglings just get junked without ever being taken for a ride? Let this me-first prima donna Jay Cutler scorch the earth with his arm on some other team that misses the playoffs and loses perennially. Players who bitch and moan and whine in New York usually fail epically in the end. Clemens/Ratliff/Ainge are probably as good (or mediocre) as Trent Dilfer. Stick to the time-tested formula: DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE.
So you don't think Cutler's attitude had anything to do with this?? The media certainly plays it off like that, but I don't buy it. There's more under the covers than what we're seeing, and I think a lot of the issues that have arisen can be directly attributed to Cutler. His maturity seems to continuously come into question. What has he done exactly? He puts up numbers but does he elevate his team when he needs to? No, because he's not a leader. He's a ultra-talented young QB who if he matures and becomes a leader, can be a great QB. Right now, he's not, and I'd rather not mortgage our draft on finding out if he will. He is a tremendous asset for the Broncos, but I have no doubt that Cassel could have stepped in and performed damn well for McDaniels as well. Do I think Cassel is as good as Cutler? No, but he's more mature and acts like a leader, and that's something the Broncos sorely need because they don't have one now. I would much rather see what we have in Clemens (behind a new rebuilt O-Line) and/or Ratliff (an unknown commodity) and use our picks on helping those guys out.
Your basing your whole opinion on one circumstance. Do any of us really know what's going on in Denver? The answer is no. The bottom line is a Pro Bowl QB thats only been in the league 4 years and who at 26,is in the prime of his career becomes available, it is a NO BRAINER to get this guy on your team! Their is no argument aginst trading for this guy. NONE!
If our CS thinks he's the QB we need, then I'll get behind this. However, I just don't see it. I don't see him as a guarantee b/c of his attitude. Love the talent, hate the maturity level. I want this team to have a leader at QB. Are Clemens or Ratliff the answer? I have absolutely no idea, and neither does anyone else on this board. Is Cutler the answer? Maybe, but being a Pro Bowl QB that can throw for a lot of yards doesn't sell me that he's such a proven player. It's all about what you do in certain situations, and I'm not sure I like what I see so far.
All Quarterbacks bitch and moan. I'd gladly take a pro bowl QB who bitches and moans over an unproven QB who never says a damn thing.
He sold me that he's more or less a jackass when he threw his Vandy teammates under the bus to try to elevate his draft stock, blaming them for their losses. And what??? Him calling out Marshall is what you call a leader?? That's called passing the buck.
Eh, I don't know, I see it as a much more volatile situation a la all of Ryan Leaf's BS (obviously not to that extent).
Exactly. People love talking about probowlers like they're demigods. It's a popularity contest that means nothing. Favre was a probowler this season and that won us how many playoff games? I'd rather win a Super Bowl with a team full of non-probowlers than have a losing team with 5 probowlers. But that's just me.
A poor defense isn't an excuse? Flacco and Ryan proved they're better because they made the playoffs? Flacco was helped by the #2 defense in the league don't you think? Ryan was helped by the #2 rushing attack in the league don't you think? Saying the poor defense isn't an excuse is basically like saying the QB position is the only position that matters in the NFL. The game is obviously more than just QB's. If a poor defense isn't an excuse then neither is a JV offensive line for Clemens. I happen to believe both are valid excuses. When the Broncos gave up 22 points or less Cutler is 12-1 as a starter in his career. How can you possibly discount the fact that the defense was the 29th ranked defense in the league last year? The Broncos were 8-5 going into the last three weeks of the season and needing only 1 win to make the playoffs. The defense gave up 112 points over that span including 30 points against the Bills at home. If the defense tightens up and they win one of those games is Cutler now a better QB in your mind? Flacco and Ryan look like good QB's but they haven't proven they're better than Cutler based on making the playoffs.
You simply have no clue of what you're talking about. You are acting as if you know what the story is in Denver and you don't. I have no problem in seeing what we have in either Clemens or Ratliff none at all. You also have no clue if picks are going to help these guys out or not because picks are also unknown and likely to do very little in year one without a lot of luck. Facts there are a handfull of highly talented QB who can perform in the NFL at a high level. Cutler is one of them. He is also extremely young and in his prime with NFL experience. He also played for a crappy team with a terrible D where he did very well in close games and in the 4th quarter of close games. The other fact which you gloss over is you talk about Cassell. He is not available and Cutler may be available. I would have no problem if the Jets went after Cassell but there is no way NE was going to trade him in the division. Here's another fact the only QB to lead us to a SB was the most cock sure person to every play for the NY Jets. He threw tons of INT's and he didn't lead us to the playoffs in his first 3 years. He won the whole thing in year 4. Fact Cutler right now is among the top 5 in passing ability in this league. He has NFL experience he has improved every year and he played for a team with no D.
2 different circumstances in the span of 3 months. They fired the coach and he cries. They entertained a trade and he cries. What business does he actually think he's in? What planet does he think he lives on? There isn't a single job in the world that is absolutely secure or guaranteed. Not one. Not Popes, not Presidents, not Kings. GFY, Jay. GFY.
So he was loyal to his first NFL coach and not only does he have to deal with a new system, but the new coach obviously wanted someone else more. Why shouldn't he want out? How do you think John Elway ended up in Denver? How did that work out? Just because very few people have control over their destiny's isn't a reason to allow other people to control yours. The NFL is a business and players have gotten their freedom and FA by being tough little bitches not by taking it.
And maybe if Elway wasn't such a whiny bitch, he would have won 3 Super Bowls in Baltimore instead of losing his first 3 in Denver.
It'd be nice to see a stat that show INT's that led to points on the board for the other team, by TD or by FG one. That would be a much better stat, imo.
I take it if that whiney bitch Elway had forced a trade to the Jets you would have booed during those SB.
No you have no clue what you're talking about, because I said that NONE of us know. I'm simply speculating, which is all you're doing as well. I'm simply saying Cutler is not the proven QB you are all making him out to be. He's NOT a slam dunk. There's an inherent risk there, which you and everyone else just seem to want to ignore. I fell for it once with Favre. Hindsight's 20/20. The prospect of Cutler is obviously greater than that of an aging Favre, but to me, there are still plenty of questions. I'm playing the devil's advocate and you're failing to acknowledge that maybe Cutler has as big a part in this rift with Denver as McDaniels does. That's all I'm saying. I do not know anything for fact. Nor do you. Yeah, Cutler is top 5 in passing ability. WTF does that mean? He can throw a ball through a wall but who gives a shit? Show me some leadership and we'll talk. I've never seen any form of leadership out of the kid. He's immature, I have heard that his teammates aren't too fond of him (but that's all speculation). I mean, there are questions, and you have to admit that. Just because he's a Pro Bowl QB who throws for a lot of yards, doesn't make him a slam dunk! Because of that, I'd rather see what we're working with than mortgaging our picks for him.
For the right price, I would be willing to see Cutler on this team. The answer to our QB situation is not on our roster, and I'm not enamored by anyone we can draft this year. With Jones now squawking about wanting a renegotiation, I'd be willing to see him off as part of the package. Not that I know if Denver needs an aging Pro-Bowl back or not, but that position will be easier to fill for us than QB at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Jets are coming up with a plan to get Cutler. I just never actually believed that Denver would really part with him, and I'm not sure that will be the case at all. Stranger things have happened though I suppose.
Why shouldn't he want out? Maybe because he's a grown man and shouldn't be so thin-skinned about it? It's a business, and McDaniels knew what he wanted. I have no issue with that.
