F Jackson. Oghobaase FTW. I'm really not getting the Tyson Jackson love fest. All last season people talked about how disappointing he was. Hell, he probably would have come out if he was half the player he's being talked as...I mean theres a shot for him to kick ass this year...but I can't buy the top 5, 10, and 20 hype he's getting right now.
a productive guy from a top program that has the size and experience to play DE in the 3-4 here's a great article that spells out a lot of the reasons I like him: sea.scout.com/a.z?s=114&p=2&c=768984
(...much needed bump to stop a new thread from being made) 3-4 DEFENSIVE ENDS 1. Jarron Gilbert - SJSU 6'5 288 2. Evander Hood - Mizzou 6'3 300 3. Tyson Jackson - LSU 6'4 295 4. Alex Magee - Purdue 6'3 298 5. Fili Moala - USC 6'4 305 6. Ricky Jean-Francois - LSU 6'3 295 7. Pannel Egboh - Stanford 6'6 276 8. Mitch King - Iowa 6'2 280 9. John Faletoese - UC Davis 6'3 295 10. Kyle Moore - USC 6'5 272 (I pumped Egboh up and King down after doing a little more research on the two.) 1. Gilbert is my top guy based on size, athleticism, and upside. JG was a 4-3 tackle at San Jose State, so he'll have to learn the position, but he has everything you look for in a star 3-4 defensive end. He's being compared to Richard Seymour when he came out of UGA. As a rookie, I see Gilbert as a rotational defensive end that becomes a full-time starter by mid-season. MID-FIRST ROUND 2. As most of you know, I've been talking up Ziggy Hood for a while now -- he's finally getting the recognition he deserves...after an excellent combine, Hood is now being rated as a first round prospect. The guy's a gym rat -- he bench presses 440 pounds, and has added over 50 pounds of muscle since joining the Tigers. His motor alone should earn him a first round grade. He's one of those guys that never quits. My favorite thing about him is that he wants to keep getting better and better -- coaches at Mizzou say he's always the first to arrive and the last to leave when watching film. He also runs his sprints with the running backs and receivers. MID-TO-LATE FIRST ROUND 3. Jackson looks like a prototype defensive end...mainly because of his size. Jackson was very inconsistent at LSU, but he did draw a lot of double teams, causing his production to drop. I still like him as a rotational defensive end, but he disappears too much for me to give him a mid-first round grade. LATE FIRST ROUND THIS IS WHERE THE TALENT FALLS OFF...sort of 4. Magee is a 3-4 DE prospect that is rising up in my rankings. He's got a very quick first step for a guy that weighs close to 300 pounds. Dominant over short stretches, but can be very inconsistent at times. He's one of 2009's bests at shedding blockers. AM showed his versatility at Purdue playing both DT and DE. He's another one of those guys that's going to have to learn how to play end in the 3-4. A rotational player that could potential become a starter after a few seasons in the league. MID-TO-LATE SECOND ROUND 5. Moala is the cousin of current Raven 3-4 lineman Haloti Ngata. Here's a guy that doesn't really have a true position as a pro...FM is very long and lanky for a player over 300 pounds. One of the most instinctive defensive linemen in this draft - very good at reading and reacting. Unlike most big players, FM has a very high motor, almost never gives up on play. His only real knock as a defensive lineman is as a pass rusher and those who know the 3-4 know that the DEs don't necessarily have to get after the QB, they just have to eat up blockers. MID-TO-LATE SECOND ROUND 6. RJF was a big time prospect coming out of high school - never really live up the hype at LSU because of academic problems and injuries. He's a streaky player like most linemen. When he's on, he's the best lineman on the field. Constantly gets his hands up to knock down passes. Not much of a hustler, which pushes him down on my list, but he's got all the talent in the world. Awesome against the run. Someone has to give this kid a shot...I think a lot of GMs will pass on him, so it's hard to predict where he'll be selected. LATE-THIRD to MID-FIFTH ROUND 7. Egboh has the ability to become a very solid 3-4 defensive end. He's a very tall at 6'6 and he looks like he can gain about 20 more pounds. EXTREMELY long arms that help him break off blocks. Another player that may become very versatile in the pros - Egboh has the ability to slide out to OLB in certain situations. Very, very good at playing HIS position and eating up blockers. The fact that he's a 'tweener will push him down in the draft. MID-TO-LATE FOURTH ROUND 8. King is the biggest 'tweener out of all of '09's linemen. His motor is basically the only reason I have him on this list...you can't not like this kid. MK is one of those impact players that pumps up his teammates and the crowd. His low center of gravity makes it very hard for blockers to drive him back. Just a play-maker...always around the ball. His size could create a some versatility for him as a pro. King has the smarts and the motor to switch back and forth as a DE and an OLB. FIFTH ROUND 9. Moore was over-shadowed on a very good team. His height can be a major advantage and a major disadvantage. KM is very strong -- makes a lot of arm tackles, which could also be a knock. Like Jean-Francois, he can deflect passes by getting his hands up. Needs to work on disengaging blockers. A lot like Fili Moala as a 3-4 prospect -- not a solid pass rusher, but he doesn't need to be in this system. A major knee injury is his major flaw. SIXTH OR SEVENTH ROUND 10. Faletoese is unknown by many on this board. He's a high effort, dominant player at UC Davis. JF has legitimate size. Constantly double teamed, but still productive. He's a smart player that finds his way to ball carriers. I-AA All-American that was a four year starter for the Aggies. Not receiving a combine invite and playing against inferior competition will cause him to slide. SIXTH or SEVENTH ROUND ...almost made the list: Zach Potter - Nebraksa 6'6 279 Rulon Davis - California 6'4 281 John Gill - Northwestern 6'3 290 Vance Walter - Georgia Tech 6'1 304 If I have the time tomorrow, I'll finish up my top 3-4 inside backers list.
I've gotta agree with your top 3. I think that's the clear consensus now. Gilbert has the amazing potential, Hood maybe not so much upside but has a great motor and will be a solid pro for many years. Jackson has fallen off just a bit but still would be a good choice. Mitch King is the backup player that I'd love to get in the later rounds. He's probably a 3rd to 5th round selection. But the kid has great attitude and a non-stop motor that coaches love. He'd be a great guy to play special teams and rotate in every once in a while to rest the starters.
I don't know DL in college very well but i think given we have so many Veterans we should get someone who is very raw but that (in the scout's eyes) has a lot of potential. This way we might develop him pretty well... I'm thinking Connor Barwin would be good...
It's Brace* -- Ron Brace would provide us with a rotational NT - something we desperately need behind Kris Jenkins. Right now, he looks like a late second, early third round pick.
You are forgetting two guys - one that I really like a lot and one that probably belongs with Potter and Davis in the "almost made the list" section. The guy that I like a lot is: Everette Pedescleaux from Northern Iowa. He is 6'6, 305 lbs with a 4.9 40. He has the strength, size, and athleticism to excel at the position plus he chases down plays from behind and has a very good motor. He won't be your Day 1 impact guy, but give him a season or two with NFL coaches and he should be a very good 3-4 DE for someone. The other guy is Khalif Mitchell from ECU. 6'5, 315 lbs, 5.0 40. He has very good size and above average athleticism.
I didn't forget anyone - these are MY rankings. I'm not a fan of Everette Pedescleaux - 1. He wasn't a dominant player against inferior competition. 2. He wasn't a full-time starter until his senior season - didn't start any games as a junior...used strictly as a rotational player because he has absolutely no motor. 3. In 2008, he was very good at UNI, helping their defense become on the top ranked defenses against the run. Still only one full season...Albert Haynesworth-esque 4. Transferred from Minnesota for two, well maybe just one reason: didn't make the basketball team because of CONDITIONING and didn't play on the football team because of CONDITIONING. Everette Pedescleaux is another player that you're trying to pump up -- you make him out to be some sort of God-like figure on the football field, when he's clearly just a one-year wonder at the I-AA level. His size is intriguing, but it seems to me he doesn't work hard...I consider him to be a sleeper prospect and nothing more. Yeah...I like Mitchell. He has great size for the 3-4. From what I've read, KM has trouble shedding blocks and he gets taken out of a lot of plays by double teams.
Eh I love Rey when he's healthy, but the injuries definitely concern me. The dude got hurt running at the combine. We do have Bart Scott, but I would love to see Beckwith, or Brinkley rotate in there. There both like D. Hitman Harris, and just warriors. I really like Woods at the NT though...guy should be a nice player in the NFL.
I agree with everything you said except for Pedescleaux's motor. He might not be the best conditioned - but that is something that professional level training for a year or two can help. When I said I liked him, I meant I liked his potential and his ceiling as a 3-4 DE. I did say that he wouldn't be a Day 1 impact player, which you agree with. He's a promising developmental prospect - I'm not pumping him up. If he lands in a 3-4, one day he will be a very solid if not very good DE.
No - this is all about his character. He couldn't get into shape to make the basketball team at Minnesota, where he was a preferred walk-on for their b-ball team...that shows he was in even worse shape as a football player. Training could help, but this is all in his head...it's all about his character and work ethic.
I've heard him being talked about as a late first, early second pick. If he's there for our 2nd round pick I'd love for us to take him. Having a quality backup behind Jenkins would help our team more than an upgrade at DE considering how much our defense sucked with Jenkins out.
Moala sounds intriguing, if he is around in the second. And I like your observation (not in this post but later) about Brace. I am really hoping we can get backup NT and also a young FB in training in this draft.
Given the increased number of teams running the 3-4 and the rarity of true NT, I'd think Brace will be pushed up the draft higher than his real value. That's especially true since some teams are just switching to the scheme next year and don't have a true 2-gap NT. If Brace fell to our second rounder he'd be an absolute no-brainer. He's one of the few guys in the draft that could rotate in for Jenkins and have us not lose too much. And the big fella could definitely use more rest. He seemed to wear down at the end of the season. I'd think that's due to being on the field for too much. There's only so many plays that a 350+ man is good for.