=== RD 1. Jarron Gilbert, 34DE, San Jose State === RD 2. Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa === RD 3. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss === RD 4. Cody Brown, 34OLB, Connecticut === RD 6. NT Samme Lee Hill, Chris Baker or Terrance Knighton === RD 7. Anthony Hill, TE, North Carolina State === UDFA: Justin Brantley, P, Texas A&M ==== UDFA: Jason Boltus, QB, Hartwick ====
Please no... to high for Jarron Gilbert, we can grab him in the second unless McCoy is still on the board in the second, which then I say we take McCoy. No corners in the draft, and and two very average receivers back to back in the 3rd/4th? No way. Not Happening.
^ agreed. I like Massaquoi a lot as a mid rounder wide receiver, but I would much rather grab Nicks or Britt to be a big physical athletic receiver because massaquoi isn't anything special...doesn't run routes well, isn't tough at all. he's just tall, scrawny and athletic as hell. I don't see the logic in drafting two average receivers back to back when we could grab some great depth in the mid rounds with some players with a lot of potential in other positions (cody brown, brinkley, etc..)
Mass has decent FB speed, but Wallace is on a different level, he's an explosive player, homerun hitter ala Percy Harvin So if we're not drafting a WR high, I would consider drafting two .. a 6' 2" Guy with decent speed like Mass, and a pure burner like Mike Wallace .. then we'll have two speed guys in Clowney and Wallace, and two possession guys with nice size in Cotchery and Massaquoi, with Stuckey being the elusive smurf out of the slot I don't think much of Brad Smith so I'd have no problem cutting him loose, and too me Wallace Wright is soley a ST Player
i definitely like mike wallace. he is no doubt explosive. leading up to draft talk, there was some speculation from his coaches that he was trying to run a 4.21 , because he's been clocked at that before. I think McCoy will be available in the second round, so I like him a lot if hes on the board. But, I really like Jarron Gilbert or Brace in the second round as an upgrade at defensive end, but not any earlier. I'd want a guy like Nicks in the 1st, in the 3rd a guy like Cody Brown, Barwin (if he falls), Clint Sintom if he falls, in the third, i would much rather take a guy who has fallen who has tremendous value than a guy who can't run routes and gets killed over the middle. For a guy who's 6'1, hes not that physical compared to a guy like Britt or Nicks which would make a much bigger impact in our offense, IMO
...not too high for Gilbert at all -- a lot of people see San Diego taking him at 16. His stock has risen the most out of everyone in this draft. I don't like Mo-Mass as a third round pick - he reminds me of former UGA wideout Fred Gibson. I've never been high on Greene has a pro back - he was a great college back, but I don't think his style will translate over to the NFL. Mike Wallace isn't "average", he is arguably the fastest receiver in this draft...MW may be even faster than everyone's boy DHB.
So if I'm reading you right, J21, you like the players I drafted, or at least you don't dislike them, you just don't like where I drafted Gilbert and you rather have a 34OLB than two wideouts? That's cool, J21, that's a legit opinion, you could be right about Gilbert, and I wouldn't mind another 34OLB .. I'm of the opinion that you can't have too many good pass rushers, so I'm perfectly fine with the idea of adding another edge rusher and I might even do it in my next mock draft .. in fact I think I did it in the one before this one :grin:
so because hes one of the fastest receivers in the draft, that makes him an above average wide receiver?
You know what, Mr E, you gave me a good idea .. I kept Mass & Wallace, but I reversed the rounds where I took them, because I think you're right, Wallace will probably go a round higher than Mass
I like the wideouts...well I like Mike Wallace MUCH more. but i don't like the idea of not grabbing Nicks or Britt, and instead taking a guy like Mohammed as our big physical guy because he's not that physical. I just don't like the idea of drafting two wide receivers back to back in rounds, where we can grab some quality depth on the defensive being that were getting older on the defensive line, we cut a bunch of line backers, Gholston is to be a rush linebacker. I like Gilbert a lot, but he fluctuates in predictions. Some say he might go in the first, some say mid 2nd. But in the first round, I don't think there many receivers that have what Britt and Nicks have...there tall, run good routes, and there tough and physical, which mohammed is not. Mohammed to me is a slower DHB .
That would be a great draft, not a fan of RB in the second....If Jones WAS to fall off(I think we're 2 years out from that) I'd prefer to platoon Washington and Woodhead for a year, letting the FB get short yardage carries, and milk it to the next draft...but...I don't know anything about Greene yet...so I'll get back to you...but Great work as always.
You know what, J21, between you and MrE (Two Draft Guys I respect) you have sold me on passing on Mo-Mass, and you (J21) have sold me on another 34OLB, so I replaced Mo-Mass with Cody Brown See, never let it be said I cannot be swayed by a good argument But you'll never get me to change Gilbert .. that is my man-crush in this draft :grin:
and jabba...let's say you do keep the two wide receivers...i like Ramses Barden much more over massaquoi.. 67 receptions, 1,257 yards and 18 touchdowns as a senior and he's 6 foot 6.
it would be pretty cool to have a player on our roster that jumps out of pools without using his hands. The changes definitely look good I think, Cody Brown I think is really underrated and he's going to make an impact on any time he's on. Still no corner...but word on the street is that were still trying to look at corey ivey (who i think is garbage, IMO). I really want some young corners as depth just because lito is constantly hurt, and lowery gets burned to often. Other than that, some middle line backer depth with a guy like Jasper Brinkley (who's my sleeper) i think is going to be a great player in the NFL because he is an old school scrappy hard hitting middle linebacker. If Dan Connor fell to the 4th round, projected in the 2nd, I don't even want to know where Brinkley will fall this year. Maybe even to the 5th-6th where Jon Goff got picked last year.
I think this is a solid draft that fills all of our needs. I'm against the thinking of our need for our rb. Out of all the skill positions they translate to the NFL the fastest and we still have two good years out of Jones. But I like Greene and I would be okay with him in the second, I'd be pissed if we took a rb in the first though. I like Gilbert and was happy to see him there.
Come on man, Just when you convinced me to shun the second wideout for another edge rusher, now you're back on the WR tip hmy: Just Kidding, I actually appreciate the feedback and I made the edit because I agree with you and E, and believe me, I'm never hard to convince when it comes to pass rushers .. I'm like Jerry Reese, give me 20 pass rushers and tomorrow I'll be looking for #21 :grin:
BTW J21, if I thought McCoy would be on the board in RD 2 I would have taken him over Shonn Greene, but I don't see that happening, nor do I see the kid from UCONN sliding into the 50's, so for me the choice was Greene or Rashad Jennings and I gave Greene the nod in a close call .. Just so you know what I was thinking and why I didn't take McCoy
