What's with the TUDE.??? You got some shocking revelation???? Oh...I'm sorry Cakes...you know it All!!!
We can't really know if Nicks is a good guy or not yet. Many times we have heard scouts and ex-coaches rave about a player's positive personality traits and character and then the guy winds up with all sorts of issues in the NFL. I am curious as to who said Nicks is a good guy. (By the way, his coaches at UNC would love to see Nicks drafted high- for recruiting reasons, so they will pump him up.) I also don't think his brothers being convicts would make him play better and have more focus and all that. My point with the earlier post is that I am skeptical for now and we will find out for sure down the road. Also, there is a chance money will go to his head and mess him up. There was/is obviously something wrong in that family.
That's a pretty myopic point of view. You gotta work on giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I'd say he's come a long way from where his family was at. That's not anything to ignore.
WW85 is going to look at it in the above way because he likes the football player. I looked at it the other way. I think the Jets need to approach it both ways. They would be investing a lot of money and time in the player.
I did a Hakeem Nicks search here. According to the search, the earliest mention of Nicks at this website came in December 2008 (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=1044948&postcount=1). He played only one real game after that date. If Nicks was truly good enough to be drafted at 17 by the Jets, should he have been mentioned at least a few times prior to December?
Not necessarily. How often was UNC on national TV? Also, no one really anticipated a 1st round WR because no one really saw Coles getting cut. Why waste your time worrying about something so unlikely. Now it's looking very likely, so might as well see who the best available WR is. To me, it's Nicks. Give me him over any other WR in the draft. Surest hands. Not the quickest, but a tough receiver. Great route runner. He has everything you want except for blazing speed. And he's definitely fast enough to develop into a fantastic NFL WR. I think he's going to be the best WR in this draft. I don't have the slightest idea about his character, but to come from that family and end up being a great college WR and no questions of character or anything like that, I give him credit and am willing to give him his due for that.
Maybe the Jet's should have invested more time scouting Gholston????? Your opinion is looking at the glass half-empty. Hakeem Nicks has shown no negative qualities...on or off the field. The way I fell about Nicks is what he has accomplished on the Football Field. Nick's personal story is just something that I shared and is interesting....it should have no effect either way on his play, but it can show how determined he is to succeed. You have your opinion.....mine is Nick's is the most well-rounded NFL ready WR in this Draft.
It seems like Nicks got hyped up big time after the bowl game in which he made several amazing catches. Prior to that, he was looking like a mid-round selection. Some guys get hyped after the combine, whereas this one got hyped after a bowl game. I haven't seen him play enough to have a solid opinion on him. Therefore, if the Jets select him, I won't be mad or glad. All I would do is say, "Well, I hope it works out." I was not looking to make any trouble here. WW85 took my initial post all wrong. My beef was with the media who often will tell us a player is a good guy and then a couple years later the guy gets arrested.
like this idea more, Tanny has never been afraid to move around in the draft to get the guy he wants. Im just not sure how far we can drop in the first before we lose out on the WR we want. Unless it is a guy like Britt or Robinske who could be gotten a little later
Ha I'm not saying you're looking to make trouble at all. You're obviously entitled to your opinion. There are a lot of talented WRs in this draft. I've seen a few games of his, but I wouldn't say nearly enough to make me a Nicks expert or anything. He played against my Irish this year, saw him in the bowl game, and I think one other this year. I really like what he can do. I look at his pro potential and see him as a potential Top 5 WR in the league. Yes, his stock has soared tremendously, but IMO it's completely warranted and would love to get him on this team.
One of the catches he made in the bowl game was the best catch I ever saw on the collegiate level. From what little I have seen of Nicks, I thought he would be similar in the pro game to T.J. Houshmandzadeh. He looked like a possession guy to me- not a gamebreaker. WW85 and/or Mr. Electric said a better comparison is Anquan Boldin. Either way, if he plays as well as either of those guys, he would be a good player.
You making the only comment ...."We wiil see about that"...........and nothing else in the Post, comes across with an attitude with no support for your quote. You are supporting your positon now after I called you out. Cakes, I'm not here to argue with you....but I don't take shit from people either. I'm well respected here for my opinions.....people don't have to agree with me, and I have no problem. I do have a problem with posters posting hit and run lame non-supporting statements....like yours.
I agree about the WRT talent in the first being better. Itys only common sense to think that. The problem I ahve is I do not see a WR who could be a truely dominating WR at 17#. I think Sean Smith has the type of talent to be that guy as a safty. With Rayns Blitz happy Scheme we need anoth big rangy playmaker back there. Smith is perfect for it.
I don't believe I'm known for "lame non-supporting statements" unless directed at a known board troll or if I'm in a baseball thread. I clipped your post, so that it would be clear I was only responding to one thing.
I thought Nicks was a 4th round pick going into this NCAA season...midway through the season i thought he had around a 3rd round value with the way he was playing I think he currently is about a 2nd round value, but between his bowl game and the hype that followed he seems to have pushed himself into the first round A lot of teams avoid the wr position in the first round b/c it is such a risk position...I do not like his value at 17 but rather later in the 1st round it just depends on when the run on wr's is made...last year it started in the 2nd round I've watched every game Nicks has played in at UNC...(tough to evaluate the ones i was in the stands for)...but i am higher on Maclin than Nicks I'm not saying he won't be a great player which doesn't have anything to do with where he is drafted...but i don't like his value at 17 I'd be more than happy to have another Tar Heel on the team though
Ryan's system puts a lot of importance on the S position...If Ryan is calling the shots and he thinks Sean Smith is the guy for his defense...then there is little doubt that he will be the pick ...and i'd say that about any defensive player available at 17...if he plays in a violent style that REx likes...then Rex will pull the trigger over a wr ....either way i still want a wr within the 1st 2 rounds
Here's my question to anyone who is opposed to taking Nicks at #17: Why not? What weaknesses or questions in his game do you have that should take him out of consideration at #17? Because I really don't know of any personally.
speed/explosiveness/and from watching him...he sometimes drops routine/easy passes Brandon Tate was the much more explosive player at UNC...but he wasn't strictly a wr Nicks disappeared for long gaps in games...and outside of the WVU game I have trouble thinking of a time when he scored on a decent opponent without a large lead...and can't think of another game he dominated the way he did in that game (outside of BC) UNC was run first and he never demanded the ball through his performance... outside of the WVU game...UNC played in zero other meaningful games during his career...not his fault but doesnt help his pro ready resume with that said...he never never never had a decent qb and outside of Tate who was a slash player...he never had a threat opposite him...Tate was normally slot
From everything I've seen/read/heard, he probably has the surest hands in the draft and is the most polished and NFL ready. He's fearless over the middle and has drawn comparisons to Anquan Boldin based on his style of play.. He did run a sub 4.5 40 time, even though game speed and track speed are two different things of course. Some of what you say contradicts scouting reports I've read....
