Exactly, neither Chris Canty or Igor Olashansky would be good for that role. For someone we could groom for a starter position we would have to look to the draft rather than free agency.
I didn't see this until now...I am not mistaken. Ellis was the most productive 3-4 DE in the NFL in 2008? Why...because he had 8 sacks and a miracle touchdown? Do you know who Richard Seymour is? He is the best and most productive 3-4 defensive end in the NFL, and no one is going to take that title away from him. Marcus Spears and Chris Canty of the Dallas Cowboys are up there too - DeMarcus Ware racked up 20 sacks because of these guys. It's not about stats. It's about what they do for their ENTIRE defense -- the pushing and pulling of tackles and guards. 3-4 DEs eat up blockers. That's they're job. Igor Olshanksy isn't the best 3-4 DE in the league, but he's bigger, stronger, and faster than 32 year old Shaun Ellis. Ellis doesn't fit the system, but he's done a pretty good job for this team. Olshansky is meant to play in the 3-4, that's why he'd be a good signing and a better option for the New York Jets. Once again, I am not mistaken.
But do we have any cap space left to sign him as well as the other guys Rex wants from Baltimore, our Draft pics AND, lets not forget giving Leon Washington a new contract as well? Probabaly not. We are all giddy as hell for the new moves we have been making, but some real $$$ need to be saved to re-work Leons contract.
6'5 285*** Height and weight are a big factor in the 3-4, but the most important thing is how the position is played. Ellis needs to play in a defensive system where he can attack the backfield - not take up blockers. It's not his style of play. He's proven that he's a better 4-3 end than he is a 3-4 end...
He's had the best season for any 3-4 end in the past 4 years, what more evidence do you need? The guy occupies blockers, he sheds them when he needs to, and he gets at the QB. He's perfect for this system, which is why Parcells drafted him in the first place. BTW I already edited the post with is correct weight.
All you're looking at is his sack total -- he's not the most productive 3-4 defensive end...I have no idea why you guys think that. John Abraham was also drafted for the 3-4 and he's had his success in the 4-3 -- the Ellis pick was made nearly 10 years ago. He's not the same player anymore. 3-4 DEs like Chris Canty, Richard Seymour, and Haloti Ngata are all much more important to their team's success. They all have the ability to change a game's outcome by giving their surrouding cast opportunities to make plays. This is the last time I'm going to say this: you can't look at statistics when he comes to 3-4 defensive linemen. Stats don't matter for these players. In this scheme, it's all about the linebackers.
Ngata is listed as a nose tackle, but he plays defensive end for the Ravens when they line up in the 3-4. He also plays some linebacker every now and then.
Shaun Ellis: 60 tackles, 41 solo Haloti Ngata: 55 tackles, 43 solo Chris Canty: 35 tackles, 35 solo Richard Seymour: 52 tackles, 35 solo What stat do you want to completely negate now? Ellis has excelled in stats which should be much lower on the mark for a 3-4 DE. The stats don't tell the complete picture but for a starting DE in a 3-4 Ellis has performed beyond expectations, being eclipsed only by Ngata in solo tackles and having a better NT next to him who is around the ball more than any DT Baltimore started or subbed in. Add to that the fact that Calvin Pace who played next to Ellis on the other side was one of the more productive OLBs against the run and Ellis' stats look even better by comparison by making the plays ahead of the LBs. Even when he wasn't making the plays he was still tying up linemen which was his job description. As for Abraham, he was drafted as an LB for the 3-4 but wound up playing DE in the 4-3. Mangini didn't like him as a 3-4 LB but there's still no guarantee that he wouldn't have been productive rushing from a two point stance.
I'm pretty sure he still takes most snaps at right end, and he rotates over the nose when they play in the 46.
You're really trying to use tackles now? C'mon man. They play a position that isn't about getting stats...why can't you see that? Canty, Seymour, and Ngata are all better than Ellis. Olshanksy would be a quality signing... Goodnight.
Well then give me a freaking reason. Body position? Hand position? What are you basing this argument on? How many times they get their names mentioned in their respective local press? I've made statements that Ellis is competent in tying up blockers and all you say is "you're whole argument is wrong." If you want to debate this than at least bring up some type of argument that isn't "[x] is better than Ellis." What are you basing your opinions on? As for the stats question, what else can I go on right now?
I'll take Olshansky in a second over Ellis in the 3-4. Ellis is not a prototypical 3-4 DE and was not drafted as one; he was drafted as a 4-3 DE. Ellis is way overrated. 90% of his big plays came in the first half of last season. He disappeared in the second half, when Jenkins wasn't as strong. Just like he played off Abraham, he played off Jenkins. Ellis is not a stud in his own right and doesn't command extra attention from the opposing line. He's a good player, but far from elite, and there are several my better 3-4 defensive ends.
He was picked by Parcells when Al Groh was here running a 3-4. Did Parcells really look at him and say, "He'll be good in a different defense when Groh gets his ass fired."?
And he was moved to the 4-3 because he didn't excell in the 3-4, and because they wanted Abraham at DE. Ellis always does well when the opposition has to focus on someone else, whether it's Jenkins or Abraham. When he's the focal point, he's mediocre at best.
