D dept. : GHOLSTON - BIG BUST ? ? ?

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  1. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    There is this thing called "Phasing in mode." In order to give Gholston that time, they had to design a package where Gholston was NOT left out in an island, hanging by himself in a short zone. Look. He was just learning the intricacies of OLB plays. His career snap at OLB was ZERO before he came to the Jets. So what does Mangini and Co. do? They gave Gholston the "baptism of fire" if you know what I mean. That's not how you succeed with your draft picks. That's one of the many reasons why 1st round QBs turn out as busts - they are not allowed to learn the material at the speed they can digest, and use whatever they learn to their advantage. They are usually thrown into the fire from year 1, without much help in offensive game planning. That trend is changing these days, which means things have to change for other position too.
     
  2. Tmchugh1

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    I think ray ray can put the game in him, but I dont think hes on his way to ny so ryan's has to do it
     
  3. Jetphan73

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    this guy gives Ron Faurot a run for biggest suckbag 1st rd. D waste of a player of all time!!!
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I think he'll be in the league longer than 20 games.
     
  5. TheBlairThomasFumble

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    Peter King should stick to the "Gut Feeling" he knows best: that rumbling in his beach-ball sized gut that lets him know that he's about to shit water after chowing down like the pig that he is at his local Golden Corral.
     
  6. jetsyankeesfan6

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    all he needs is that fire inside of him. What good is being able to bench 2000 pounds when you're afraid of butterflies? Yeah that's a bad analogy, but Vernon really needs to wake up. Having a coach that's more aggressive than Mangini will certainly serve Gholston well.
     
  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    If it's all attitude then the big question is how much money Gholston got up front and whether he cares if he gets another payday or just lives off of that one. Being a high first round pick and getting cut quick is like winning the lottery with bruises.
     
  8. GreenHornet

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    I think that is one of the things the NFL will have to address over the next couple of years; is signing bonuses to rookies. A vet is different; you sorta know what your getting. With a rookie, there is a definite gamble. I think the contracts should be structured to cater to production for the first few years of pro ball.
     
  9. BK_Jetsfan

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    For an opposing viewpoint, see first year stats of T. Suggs.
     
  10. Jersey Joe 67

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    if he was such a good evaluator of talent then why did he draft him in the first place?:drunk:
     
  11. #1 Jets Fan

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    people need to chill on Gholston right now he was a rookie and u see it all the time great players have bad rookie year and then turns out to be a star.
     
  12. Zach

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    So you are comparing Bob Sutton and Rex Ryan then. Of course, Bob Sutton is a big fat fail.
     
  13. UNWarCriminal

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    So if Mangini is the reason he was a bust, then does Mangini get the credit for all the Pro Bowl players? At least try to be impartial.
     
  14. Phear

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    mangini did not know how to use him, if gholston was drafted by the patriots we would be bitching about how we should have drafted him instead because he would have produced under a good cs.
     
  15. GreenHornet

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    I am still willing to give VG the benefit of the douibt, but after this year, there are no more excuses (provided he is injury-free).
     
  16. GriffDog

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    It was his first year in a new position and maybe Mangini wasn't schemeing him in right. He knows he has a lot to prove this year and Rex knows exaactly what to do with him to get him to produce. I hope he makes a turn around and my faith in Rex Ryan is why I believe he has a good chance to. Lets all pray that he becomes the beast he was in college.
     
  17. Twombles

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    Man, you've got to be shitting me. Is this a serious comment?
    Gholston whiffed on quite a few tackles, most noticeably on special teams... how did Mangini fail there? He was slow in getting to the QB, and generated more often than not, no pressure whatsoever. The only thing that Mangini failed at in relation to Gholston was who to select at pick 6.
     
  18. BK_Jetsfan

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    THANK YOU! And "new position" does not explain how this supposed hulk couldn't shed blocks to save his life. Tackles, guards, tight ends, half backs, they all passed him around like a blunt. My grandmother could have stood him up at the point of attack, and she's dead!
     
  19. TheBlairThomasFumble

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    Those mid-80s Jets drafts were brutal. Cadigan (1988), Russell Carter (1984), Mike Haight (1986), Roger Vick (1987) - all first rounders!

     
  20. Twombles

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    I didn't mean it in that way. I just meant that people should take things as they appear a little more. I think he might be turn out to be a good player, but he certainly isn't yet. Some people think he's an awesome player but Mangini somehow managed to make him terrible. Rex Ryan isn't going to immediately turn him into a superstar, more likely set him up as a good situational player over a couple of years.
     

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