Posted: Tuesday February 17, 2009 11:35AM; Updated: Tuesday February 17, 2009 11:51AM Peter King > MONDAY MORNING QB - TUESDAY MMQB Mail: Why Fred Taylor is still valuable and more questions ~ ~ ? MY GUT FEELING IS GHOLSTON WILL BE A BIG BUST. From Sal, of White Plains, N.Y.: "Quick question for you, Peter: Will Rex Ryan, who worked wonders with talented defensive players in Baltimore, be able to coax ANYTHING out of Vernon Gholston this season?" If anyone can, it's Ryan. I don't think Gholston will be invisible this year, but the Jets drafted him to be an impact player in their defense for a decade, and I can tell you the staff that coached him last year saw next to nothing in him -- and saw very little of the drive a great player needs in order to succeed. > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/02/17/mailbag/index.html
If the previous staff (i.e. Mangini) saw nothing in him, then I'm not too concerned because Mangini's player evaluations mean nothing to me,
He's not going to be as big a bust as Dwayne Robertson because he didn't cost us two draft picks. He probably is our version of Blair Thomas. I expect him to vastly outperform Lam Jones.
Im gonna give Gholston another year under a real head coach and then we can all make the determination if hes a bust or not. Eric Mangini was the reason Gholston failed in 2008.
"LOST IN THE SOURCE" This is the term to describe where Gholsten was last year. Now with another coach , Im sure he will plug him in and force some good play out of him. If he still cant produce , then we chaulk it up to bust syndrome and deal him to another team.
I'm not giving up on him yet, but all FO regimes have that one bust in the 1st round... its the multiple busts that get you fired.
I think if Rex does actually get Gholston to prove him worthy of the bonus he received then I will be enamoured with him as a coach. Gholston needs some tough love right now as well as coaching. I think Rex will ride the heck out of him to get him to produce. Gholston's production, as of now; the whole thing is pretty scary.
Not a chance i am giving up on him, like that video i posted earlier today, there is a learning curve from switching from DE to OLB. If at the end of the season, we don't realise that he was even playing then will start contemplating the 'Bust' tag. It is way too early right now.
I say move him back to the position he has played all his life (DE) and keep it simple for him. Give him one job and one job only - to kill the QB.
Let's all remember this before the combine starts this year. I'm sick of the combines and how it's affected the draft over the years. I don't want a combine stud. Give me a football player. Agree? In Vernon's case, I think he was still rated to be a top-5 pick prior to the combines, but Robertson combined-his-way up the charts just to f*ck us. Let's not let the combines fool us into anymore picks. Maybe that's why there have been so many busts with top choices by a lot of teams. We all get caught up in the hype surrounding combine numbers.
that and coming in half way remember our last two 1st picks, revis like gholston came in halfway and had their struggles thru their first season. Though gholston had a lot more to learn as he was changing positions. Lets give him this year under a good coach and a full TC to make judgements.
Wasn't he ranked like mid first round before the combine started? The main problem with Gholston is just that he has no drive to bury the quarterback and also Mangini was using him as an all around OLB, even though he clearly is not capable of being that right now. We need him to be used only as a pass rusher right now and we also need someone to push him to be a nasty player sort of like Alan Faneca as done for Dbrick.
to play devil's advocate.... Revis showed that he was going to be a God-like CB from day one... but he needed a year to get used to the NFL before he achieved that status. Gladys showed nothing.. I want him to succeed though, he is a Jet.
Mangini has his issues, but this is taking it too far. He was a very good evaluator of talent, and if he says there is nothing there, then I believe there is nothing there. Although I believed that before hearing that Mangini thought it.
