Is Ken Griffey Jr. the greatest player of the past 20 years?

Discussion in 'Baseball Forum' started by klecko73, Feb 9, 2009.

  1. klecko73

    klecko73 Guest

    To me it is an unqualified YES.
    And he did it without the juice.
    Your thoughts?
     
  2. Penning10toColes

    Penning10toColes Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2007
    Messages:
    2,988
    Likes Received:
    1
    Let's see how Pujols' career plays out, and let's remember that neither player is unquestionably innocent.
     
  3. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2006
    Messages:
    19,492
    Likes Received:
    41
    How can you be sure he did it without juice?
     
  4. rhodesfan16

    rhodesfan16 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2008
    Messages:
    2,119
    Likes Received:
    0
    yeah I actually think he may end up being that good
     
  5. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

    Joined:
    May 26, 2004
    Messages:
    5,198
    Likes Received:
    3
    No. For one thing you can't tell what steroids did or did not do to players. Also, Griffey is in no way 100% clear in this. If it came out tomorrow that his name is on the list I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
     
  6. dubagedi

    dubagedi New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2007
    Messages:
    1,352
    Likes Received:
    0
    No. Why is there any reason to think that he hasn't juiced? He's got "integrity"? He's a "family man"? He goes to church every Sunday?

    KGJ juiced, and as an aside Pujols probably did too.

    In terms of field players, it's a toss-up between Bonds and A-Rod. What both of them did is flat out...unnatural. And that's against a playing field just as skewed.
     
  7. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2007
    Messages:
    23,098
    Likes Received:
    1,588
    Yeah, he juiced. His physique was never natural. I never agreed with Schilling about anuthing until now but he is absolutely right when he said if they leaked A-rod's name then now they have to leak the other 103 on that list. While that won't tell you everybody who juiced it will tell you the 103 that did on that one day in 2003.
     
    #7 Don, Feb 9, 2009
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2009
  8. FirstTimeCaller

    FirstTimeCaller Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2004
    Messages:
    2,672
    Likes Received:
    3
    Why are we in such a rush to crown a new king after watching so many tumble? It will only disappoint us the fans... this thing won't shake out for years. In the meantime the best player I've ever seen is Ricky Henderson!!!
     
  9. vinsjets

    vinsjets Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    7,814
    Likes Received:
    0
    Jr. My all time favorite MLBer, not a chance is he the greatest. If his career wasn't ruined by injury, maybe.

    No one should be accusing him of steroids though. He has done nothing to deserve that. Unless being a dominate youth is enough. In which case, nobody should bother watching anymore.
     
  10. IATA

    IATA Trolls

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    8,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think if we can besure someone didn't do roids, it's AR...I mean Griffey :p

    A majority of the drug use is done to decrease recovery time, and Griffey has been on the DL more often than not the back half of his career.

    He was a great player, but far from the greatest. I am going to work under the assumption right now that Pujols is clean, and he would get my vote best clean player of the past 20.
     
  11. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

    Joined:
    May 20, 2003
    Messages:
    20,810
    Likes Received:
    232
    Pujols had a mysterious injury a few years ago and he does have rage, so I don't know about him.
     
  12. MSUJet85

    MSUJet85 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    Messages:
    12,771
    Likes Received:
    196
    I wouldn't be so quick to label Griffey a steroids user simply because there is nothing on him, it wouldn't be right to label him as such unless you want to do a blind witch hunt. And for me he was the greatest all around player that I have ever seen, it is interesting to think that baseball robbed him of his great 1994 season, he may have closed in on Ruth/Maris' HR number in a season that year.
     
  13. IATA

    IATA Trolls

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    8,039
    Likes Received:
    0
    Matt Williams had 3 more then Griff!
     
  14. MSUJet85

    MSUJet85 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    Messages:
    12,771
    Likes Received:
    196
    It was a storyline wasted by MLB's baseball's greed, what is the most interesting note was that the 1994 year could have saved the Expos from moving they had the strongest team in the league record wise.
     
  15. FirstTimeCaller

    FirstTimeCaller Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2004
    Messages:
    2,672
    Likes Received:
    3
    Yeah, but what do you have on Bonds at this point? Nothing. Does that not make it a blind witch hunt too?
     
  16. Exit 117

    Exit 117 Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    8,274
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joe McEwing. No way he juiced.
     
  17. MSUJet85

    MSUJet85 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    Messages:
    12,771
    Likes Received:
    196
    Nah we had the court testimony on Bonds implicating him, we literally have nothing on Griffey
     
  18. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

    Joined:
    May 20, 2003
    Messages:
    20,810
    Likes Received:
    232
    My favorite aspect of the 1994 season was the riveting American League West race.

    That was shaping up to be a great season.
     
  19. FirstTimeCaller

    FirstTimeCaller Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2004
    Messages:
    2,672
    Likes Received:
    3
    What testimony would that be? The leaked stuff? The reputable Giambi brothers? If they had a legit case on Bonds he'd be in jail already.
     
  20. MSUJet85

    MSUJet85 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    Messages:
    12,771
    Likes Received:
    196
    Pfft. Even if they had him in a camera injecting himself it would take years to go through court proceedings

    My point is that there was still something that implicated that he took steroids, it isn't literary coming out of thin air
     

Share This Page