ok your argument now boils down to the Jets havent won a SB in 41 years. and since the raiders are "rich in tradition" just a eloquent way of saying "weve been just as good as you for the last decade minus the SB appearance which was the catalyst for a spiraling downfall the team hasnt recovered from since. but since we saw alot of success in the mid 70's to early 80's that currently makes us in a better state today to win games" were not talking about the fucking past, thats all raiders fans have to cling on to. i almost feel sorry for you, then you try to communicate. being a raiders fan this decade is like being in a marriage for 40 years and all of a sudden your spouse starts beating you severely and for six years straight you hold on to pictures of your decaying wedding photos saying "were so good together" enjoy the continued, id say medicore teams the raiders continue to field, but thatd be an insult to mediocrity. i have no idea how someone whos team has lost more games than the lions in recent history comes to a jets site with nothing more than stupid insults to pro bowl players, then drops 40 times heights and weights as if that equates to production. and for some reason after finishing in the bottom 3 of the league continuously your always "one player away" from "surprsing the league". all the jokes of "well we drafted JaMarcus Russell high and that makes him a Franchise QB cause theyre sposed to be drafted high." amongst all the ignorant things that come out of your mouth the backing of this complete fucking idiot at QB. its too early to literally call him a bust, but I'll be the first to line up and say, alright Joe you were right, i was wrong. but no, this guy is a joke. and I dont expect you to see it until you have some well prepared statement of how the coaching staff didnt develop him well. or he had all the physical tools but coming into the league he was asked to do too much blah blah blah. what else, oh any coach you hire gets credit for sharing coffee with someone better than them. well this guy worked with so and so 15 years ago hes the perfect protege. and when the raiders get insulted, you instantly say well the jets this the jets that. the jets arent the raiders, what gets stated around here is the raiders havent done anything worth talking about in recent history to make their own fans say anything but is he really worth a top 5 pick? your logic has proven to be non existant. your a punching bag, and youve obviously embraced this role as you keep coming back and declaring yourself king of the hill. maybe when al davis dies your team can get back to succeeding and youll have a rational conversation with someone joe. maybe.
LMFAO. Now it's because they're young? QB-Clemens 25 RB-Jones 30 Washington 26 FB-Undetermined WR- Coles 31, Cotchery 26, Stuckey 25, Clowney 23 TE- Keller 24, Baker 29 OT- Brick 25, Woody 31 OG- Faneca 31, Moore 28 C- Mangold 25 Now are all these guys going to make it? Of course not, but the future does look bright. See I can do that too
How many Interceptions did Peyton throw in his first year. Again how many more times did Peyton manning pass the ball than Russell did in his first year starting. So obviously you trying to compare both numbers is laughable. When Raiders upgrade RT and Russell throws as many passes as Peyton ,than show me those numbers. (Its irrelevant ) Again you examine Russell numbers last eight games . He completed something Like 65% of his passes. Threw way more Tds than interceptions. NOw again You look at both Schilens anjd Higgins numbers(Tds) in regard to how many times Raiders threw the football and it quite impressive. (down the stretch) Both made big plays . IF Russell was dropping back forty times a game- those numbers wouldn't be that impressive. (you would expect bigger numbers) Raiders were very effective on offense down thew stretch - Russell < Schilens and Higgins were a big part of that sucess. Giving Raider fans alot of hope for the future. Want to put a little money on who has better career Shields or Marcus Henry. Schilens is a potential number 1 , Henry is camp fodder. I would advise you to google Arman shields. Guy has the complete package Runs sharpe routes , great hands and blew everyone awayt at the combine with time he raN. (guy won ever Wr drill at combine last year) DJ hall had alot of problems off the field but also has alot of ability. Had a very impressive camp with Giants. Again you can't say that because no ONe and I mean no one considers K clemens a franchise QB. Some Undrafted FA is more highly regarded by Jets FO what does that say. You went fort a 39 year has been at QB. What more do I need to say. Yea AFc West does suck but Just remember you got lucky you beat Kc or you would have went a clean 0-4 against that AFC West. You inability to win against AFc West teams was a big reason your team sat home for playoffs.
EXcept your talent is a joke. Only thing those guys have is that some of them are young and will be getting a start on their new profession real soon. RB Washington talented but is simple change of pace back. Mangold - one of the best centers in Football Dbrick is above average Keller is a one trick poney who will never be all round Te. Was de emphasized down the stretch. One of those WRs might develope into a pretty good wr dcown the road Faneca , D Woody are on the wrong side of thirty and already are showing serious signs of slipping. Could be alot worse this year. Again If Jets could trade their talent on offense with raiders talent, they would do it in a heart beat. There isn't a position I would change with Jets.
They showed down the stretch that they will be very good. Sort of reminds me of 1999 . Raiders finished very strong Knock Kc out of playoffs in arrowhead and next year they played in AFc Championship. Just might happen again. Lets see Raiders threw a beatring On the Texans(were one of the hottest teams) and Knock out any Tampabay playoffs dreams. Not a bad way to finish up a season.
yea the same Guy(gruden) that Cable outcoached in tampabay. Cable is a big reason why Gruden out of a job right now. LMAO Know your facts.
not a bad way to finish the season? I would assume Al Davis would consider a .500 record comparable to winning the Super Bowl at this point. You guys can't even manage that. And you know what, dummy....that's what's happening NOW....not 7 or 40 years ago....this is CURRENT. As in..."the Raiders are CURRENTLY a pile of dogshit".
if you think i'm going to look at the little picture... nevermind, you're not real. fucking gay actor.
Your going to bring it- come strong. Cable beating Gruden in Tampabay, is a big reason he has a job, and Gruden dosen't. Just facts buddy.
Again you need to brush up on your NFL History. Lets see What was the dolphins, Falcons and Ravens record in 2007. What was their record last year 2008. SWo your point is irrelevant. Just like you and your football team.
You're a fuckin joke bro. Mostly everyone on the Jets offense has actually done something in this league but to you their age indicates they're 'washed up'. The Raider offense has a bunch of nobodies but they're young and that makes them exciting. You're logic is so flawed it sickens me; you're the biggest homer in history of western civilization. I don't give a shit about 'potential'. It hasn't happened yet, and you've been telling us about the Raiders' potential since 2003 and fuckall has happened. I don't care how much potential Russell has, he's done jackshit so far and the fact you'd rather keep the trash on your offense over ours speaks volumes as to how delusional you are. Jets had the leading rusher in AFC and 3 pro-bowlers along the oline. You guys have jackshit, a bunch of projects who have you believing. Time to stop drinking the koolaid and become a Raider darksider already. I'll take you seriously once these bums show me something. Because Chaz Schillens had 2 TDs in the last two games of the fuckin season doesn't convince me in any way he's going to be a legit player in this league, and because Russell played better in his last 8 games of the season DOES NOT give me reason to believe he'll hold his own as the franchise. He didn't even have a single game over 300 yards you f'n toolshed.
No I don't want to put money on who will be better because I think Marcus Henry is also trash. Don't put words in my mouth, I'm a realist and I can recognize that not every player who Jets draft has the 'potential' to be great like you. You salivate over your practice squad players. If Russell dropped back 40 times a game we wouldn't be having this convo; he'd have a QB rating lower than 60 and would be riding the pine for seasons to come. He is dependant on the run game to be effective, look at the games he was serviceable in this year. Now tell me, does a franchise QB need a good run game to be effective? Or does a franchise QB take over the game by himself? I'll answer for you, a franchise QB can take over a game by himself which Jam Russell has yet to do and will probably never do. Now that I look at the numbers more closely, those 41, 52, and 19 QB ratings "down the stretch" where he had no run game really impress me.
Your the idiot go look up Russell stats the last eight games. You see a young QB maturing right before our eyes. You throw the ball enough and anyone can throw for three hundred yards. See Chad Pennington how many times he did this year. IT like rushing for over 1000 yards in sixteen game season. How hard is it to do that if you get enough carrys. Alan Faneca and Brett favre are no probowlers. Both are way past their prime and made that team off their reputation. Three Powlbowlers on Oline- WHO are they. Mangold and faneca. ( a joke and a reason nobody takes the probowl serious) W
Yeah I did look at the last 8 games. 19, 41, and 52 QB ratings and an inactive game. The Denver win was because of the run game (Russell threw 11 times la dee da), NE stats padded due to garbage time in a blowout, and Tampa win was again run setting up the pass. Real impressive. Houston game I will credit to Russell's good play. That's the facts. You bash Faneca and Woody but explain why Jets run game improved so much? It couldn't have been the washed up QB, so how'd it happen? Good play by the oline is your answer. But yeah, the Raiders' RBs potential is way more intriguing than an actual all-pro season.
Again only reason A Shields didn't do anything because he misseed all of his senior season in college due to injury and raiders IR him so he could get healthy. . A shield 6'1 195 sub 4.4 speed runs great routes, great hands, and can jump through the roof. (yea this kid going to be special) Again IF Raiders had the tackles to leT Russell stand back there to throw forty times , he would easily put up the numbers. Again It was no accident that he really came on when mario Henderson took over LT. IF what mario Henderson did was no fluke they just need another tackle and than its not going to matter how many times Russell drops back. The kid that good. BIG Ben his rookie year relied heavily on his running game, once he got more experienced he was good enough to carry the offense by himself . (that only happens with experience and normal maturation of young Qb - that didn't happen big ben first year starting) Russell didn't have that luxury of a running game. Raiders due to injury never had the running game they should have had. Tell me who Raiders wrs were at the time of those QB ratings.(everyone Raider wr were on Ir Lets see your tackles (pre mario Henderson) couldn't block anyone, Raiders had one runnning back healthy at the time. SO tell mme Genius what chance Russell had of being sucessful Again your trying to justify your point with useless stats. Without a doubt Jamarcus Russell isd a franchise Qb and there isn't anything he can't do. You want to put a bet on that one. You will lose. BTw- Flacco and M Ryan both had running game to lean both look like franchise QB, when both had to carry the offense both laid an egg in playoffs. Again right now being inexperienced they can't carry an offense by themselve but in the future they will probably won't be so dependent on that running game. Normal maturation process of a young QB.
