I can't even read that - I feel like my head is going to explode. All we have on Brett Ratliff is pre-season games? Well, if you're going to be like that, all we have on Josh Freeman is a mediocre college career. You know the main reason he left early? His boy, Ron Prince was fired. Snyder likes to run the option, so Freeman might have lost the starting job at K-State had he stayed for his senior year.
For you to say Josh Freeman has more upside than Mark Sanchez is the most ungodly statement I've ever seen. What are you a Kansas State fan?
Nope just call em as I see em. One year on Sanchez and you think that is enough? Go ahead. How many USC players were stars in College and are still living off of what they did in college. Not a big believer in USC. That is not saying I wouldn't draft them, but I'm skeptical of them. If I was Freeman I would have left early too. What would be the point when he is a QB, not an Option QB? Freeman was the only good player they had. USC is a system with good players everywhere. Put Freeman on that USC squad and his numbers would have been just as good as Sanchez's one starting yr.
That is a terrible reason to turn your back on Ratliff. A lot of QBs aren't highly recruited and get passed over in the draft and end up being just fine. Kurt Warner, Matt Cassell, Tony Romo, Jake Delhomme, and Jeff Garcia were all undrafted. Tom Brady and Matt Hasselbeck were 6th round picks. Just because someone got skipped over previously doesn't mean you should never give them a shot. And what if we do draft Josh Freeman, let Brett Ratliff start and then he tears it up - not a given but it could happen. We just wasted our 1st round pick on a player we don't need when we could have gotten an impact player that could have helped in the 2009 season. Let us not forget we are in win now mode. I am not opposed to drafting a QB this year but your reasoning is garbage. Also, what is everyone's take on trading a draft pick (not an early one) for Derek Anderson.
Not putting my whole season on the line for pre-season games. If they thought Ratliff had any shot for the starting job, then why the move from Pennington to Favre? I've seen too many Pre-Season Jet Hall Of Famers.
Because Favre is a Hall of Fame quarterback and Ratliff is young and experienced. The Jets spent enough money to bail out Freddie Mac on older free agents - Brett Favre was better suited to lead the team into the playoffs right then than Ratliff was.
He is a Hall Of Fame QB, but Favre wasn't going to take us any further than Pennington. I think we all knew that. We've seen Favre on enough occasions to know that he loses plenty of games with his arm that Pennington would have never done. Brett was not the piece that was going to take us over the top. If Ratliff showed anything during the earlier camps, don't you think the Jets could have went with Pennington anyway, and then give the job to Ratliff with a year of seasoning?
That's not what this is about at all. Chad was a Jet for 8 years and he never got us to a SB. Brett Favre, a Hall of Fame QB that had just played in the NFC Championship, was available. The front office jumped at the opportunity of bringing in Favre because they thought he could take them to the big game after years of not getting there with Chad. Period. This isn't about grooming who should have groomed Ratliff. The team was set to win immediately and the front office didn't think Chad was the QB to do that, but instead Brett Favre. What I've been saying about Ratliff is that he is a young talent that showed some promising things. Do we close the book on him before we even try opening it by drafting a QB early or do we give him a shot. If we draft Sanchez/Freeman then Ratliff is done in NY before it ever got started.
I generally agree with you on draft things, but the bolded statement here is absolutely ridiculous. To compare 3 games against Ahmad Carrol type players to 3 seasons of college ball is ludicrous. Freeman was obviously a project in college, and his improvement each year is very encouraging. The guy had literally nothing at Kansas State this year and put up pretty solid numbers this season. I like Sanchez more than anyone in this draft and have for a while, but Freeman would be a very good pick as well. It'll take 1-2 seasons for him to step in and start, but he has as much potential as anybody in this draft. Also, I guess I'll just never understand the Brett Ratliff love on this forum. To me, he's not as good as Kellen Clemens and to say he should be our starter this year is borderline outrageous.
i'm with you dude.no need to draft a q.b. this year.let the kids fight it out in camp and find out what we have.there's a decent chance we have our guy on the roster.
Read what I've said about Freeman in this thread and other threads - I was just making a point. The poster I was replying to has no idea what the hell he's talking about.
When I first brought up Freeman a long time ago you gave your opinion that he was garbage and that the Jets should not draft him in the 2nd round. So why then in the 3 Round Mock did you take him for the Lions with the 1st pick of the 2nd round?
Staffords Numbers 235 Completions 383 Attempts 3,459 Yards 61.4% Completion Pct 25 TDs 10 Ints Those are damn good numbers Freeman Numbers 224 Completions 382 Attempts 2,945 Yards 58.6% Completion Pct 20 TDs 8 Ints I think those numbers are pretty good Especially when you consider his WRs were nowhere near as good as Staffords He completed 11 less passes and threw one less pass than Stafford. I wouldn't call that a mediocre season. Not by a long shot. Phil Simms would say the top coaches always draft the player, not the team. Jay Cutler is starting and Matt Leinhart and Vince Young are holding the chalk board. I like Stafford. I think he is going to be good. He has improved every season. But Freeman improved every season as well. Freeman will not make it past the Vikings. So for those who think he will be there in the second, I think are wrong.
look guys im kinda getting tired of half assing in our draft.if we really dont trust our current guys then fine they should get freeman.but to draft him just to compete for starter?.in my opinion its such a waste because we have so many other needs that we need to adress in the first round i think if hes there 3rd round then i take him.
I like Freeman and think he won't make it past the 1st round. I'm sure he'll impress with that big arm at the Combine and instead of falling to 2nd or 3rd he'll go in the middle to the end of the 1st. Much like Flacco was originally projected lower but went at #18. The only concern I would have with him on the Jets is that we already have 2 (if not 3) developmental QB on the roster. There's only so many guys who can get the reps in practice every day. Unless the new coaching staff clearly saw Freeman as superior to what we have now and expected him to be the eventual starter.
As to Ratliff - it's not surprising he fell through the NFL's cracks. JC for two years and then plays at Utah. So not a lot of media exposure. A little hot and cold with some real clunker games. Overall career was good but not "blow you away" amazing. And then Ratliff gets a DUI / sexual assualt charge right before the draft. So for a marginal guy like him, that drops him off a lot of team's boards. Ratliff has been around for a couple of years now. He's watched Pennington & Farve play. He's learned a pro offense. If he's going to do something with his career, it's going to be now.
He fits with the Lions. I had already filled their biggest need, offensive tackle, in the first. Scott Linehan turned a similar prospect named Daunte Culpepper into an all-pro QB. They are both in Detroit now - that's Freeman's best fit. You were trying to make him look like a golden god because his stats have improved every season. Here's exactly what I said about Freeman:
And you also said this: You can't say that Freeman is a great fit with the Lions and you "don't like him at all" for the Jets - that doesn't make sense. Why would the Lions like a big, mobile strong armed QB and the Jets would not...
Your argument is sound except for one thing. The things that you say and others say about Freeman are some of the same things that were said about Jay Cutler. People thought he was over rated, but because of the strong arm, he was given a higher grade than some thought he should have received.
id fucking kick my tv, Percy Harvin first off, is a UF reciever(they NEVER pan out lets be happy the Pats wasted a 1st on Chad Jackson a few yrs back) further more, he battled injuries throughout his career. THE BIGGEST POINT Urban Meyer's system is a complete gimick, most of the offense is PA toss ups, and the rest is either a Percy Harvin reverse, or a fake Percy Harvin Sweep, Tim Tebow keep. Sure it works in College, but no thanks. seriously the guy is far from worth a 1st rd pick. there are quite a few recievers who WILL be better than him. BACK ON TOPIC and as far as Freeman goes, Ive seen him and hes pretty impressive. not worth the pick at 17 IMO though he'll need time to develop and we have SO many holes to fill its ridiculous. at 17 we need someone who will play now. but i agree with what some were saying he'll prolly be gone by the 2nd rd when we pick. someone will be willing to work with him. and itll be a big risk reward. im not too big on going qb 1st rd. and the only person who i think the jets would pull the trigger on at QB in rd if for some crazy reason they did is Sanchez(if he slips probably will). and Sanchez only declared cuz Bradford didnt after word was he would. Sanchez is mobile, reads the field well, but lack of experience scares me and same argument I made against Leinart i'll make against him. his WR's are open all the time.great supporting cast. he has made some great throws though, but definitely lacks elite arm strength. so back to my original point. please no qb 1st rd.
