Sorry Champ, i personally think you are being paranoid. There's no way it will happen. A PSL is a personal seat licens. The owners will have no way to justify addisional "personal seat licens" for a dome. I just don;t think it will ever happen.
I thought this too when it first came out. But there are a lot of people that were very happy not to be paying the PSL. Maybe they just didn't read the fine print.
I agree. I think he's going a bit overboard here with this particular assumption. I guarantee you this, if he is right, as far-fetched as that sounds, then the team will never get another penny from me. Again though, I don't even think this is an issue for at least 15-20 years, at least. Some of us probably won't even be alive then to pay that extra PSL fee anyway.
alot of these guys who have more than 4 seats, have different seniority dates for each set of tickets.
I have another set of 4 tix that are 84 senority that I expect to lose when it is all said & done with the UD
We are all suckers,myself included. I have a great seniority number,1/1/1977 and currently have three seats in section 109 4th row on the twenty. I cannot afford $15,000 psl per seat so I'm moving to the upper prime in the new stadium. But I too am a sucker because I'm going to pay $750.00 per season for meaningless pre season games. I cannot believe that in the new stadium some seats are 700.oo per game for preseason. I predict that in this economy 30 percent of the psl's will not sell. I got my first season tickets in 1965 seven regular season games at six dollars a game. A 13 year old birthday present for 42.oo. Games were blacked out even if they were sold out. People never appreciated Leon Hess but at least he was fan friendly never charging for meaningless pre season games.
Job losses and large amounts of announced layoffs continue to pile up. And though I'm pretty freaking far from an expert, there doesn't seem to be obvious signs of this letting up any time soon. It would be really hard to pick a worse time for this process to be taking place, unless things continue to get worse, in which case it'll be better that they started now. But man, can I see this thing going South. How can people afford these things? And what scares me even more is a large amount of people taking on additional longer term debt actually financing these PSLs. Now you have a mortgage or rent, a car payment or two, insurance, and a freaking giant PSL or four to finance? God Bless anyone who can afford this, and good luck to those choosing to take on that debt in these times.
That's not exactly true. Although Leon was a staunch holdout to this abomination of an idea (Jets and Denver were the last two to not charge for pre-season games...not sure who blinked first), the Jets in fact did start to charge for pre-season games beginning in 1998. At $30 a ticket at the time, not a huge deal. Now (and in the future).... a very big deal.
I also got my tix in 65 & I hope Leon Hess is burning in FB hell for NEVER/EVER caring to put a winning team on the field. He was like Bidwell owner of he Cards a true cheapskate when he came to the NYJs even though until he hired BP he did not charge for the exhibition games
Well ask ur self the question why would Woody & the NYGs pay many xtra dollars to fit the stadium for a dome if they have no intention of ever doming the stadium?
You are kidding, correct? They're doing it right now... paying for the initial construction without "justifying" it, proving they don't have to "justify" squat. Seriously, if Champ is being paranoid, you're most certainly being naive. They can do whatever they want, when they want, to whomever they want, and they can do it without justifying anything to anyone. In fact, I think I remember reading something about this somewhere (articles pertaining to PSL have been surfacing for years now... can't remember which or where), but I thought I read where one sports franchise did exactly that... tacked on additional fees for "improvements." There is nothing in any of the PSL literature that says they cannot come back and re-open the fee should the stadium need additional funding, just as there are no guarantees that ticket prices will remain where they are. The scariest part about the PSLs isn't the initial price of them, it's that they have you on the hook for ticket price increases. My Mezz ticket prices have gone up inordinately more (percentage-wise) than anyother seats in the stadium and they never once "justified" this huge price to me (I am talking year after year for about 7 years). So don't ever look for them to have to "justify" anything before they unilaterally gouge you.
It was in the plans for the stadium when it was announced. It maybe also in the booklet the NYJs have sent out but my son has ours so I cannot check that out. No matter what the stadium is being built with the fittings for the dome which is why I made my original post.
Well, no offense champ, but I don't trust anything you say or hear. You've been known to misunderstand and subsequently, relay things that have been incorrect in the past. You hear what you want to hear, and then repeat it. Unless I see something official, or at least a link to an article discussing the stadium as having been fitted for a roof, or at least someone a little more reliable than you, I'm going to assume you're making this up because this is what you think is going to happen. It may very well be true, but I'm sorry, I just can't take you for your word based on things you've said in the past.
Hold on... I never said I know the stadium is being fitted for a retractable roof. I'm just saying that PSL owners should never rule out tacking on more fees should the stadium require more funding for whatever reason. Nowhere does it state that this is it... that this is all you'll ever have to dish out.
There is no evidence to say they are going to do it!!!!! That's what is so damn frustrating about yourself and champ. The two of you are like doomsday!!!! Can they charge you for everything and anything, of course. Will it happen, not likely. And if it does, let's deal with it later. Can they charge a psl fee to buy a hot dog at the stadium, of course, will they, not likely!!!! The both of you are so worst case scenerio it's really scary. We are all going to pay for this stadium no matter if it's through the ticket prices or psl. Did you really think that the Jest were not going to recoup at least part of their investment? It's not about me being naive. It's about assessing the current situation and making a decision based on the current facts. The current facts say nothing about charging me more for a domoe or a hot dog. I can't take that into consideration when making this purchase, and neither should you.
