Which is Manning and which is Brady? Player 1: 4,207 yards, 22 TD, 17 INT, 61.6 COMP %, 84.6 Rating Player 2: 3,954 Yards, 26 TD, 12 INT, 62.5 COMP %, 88.0 Rating The two have actually been pretty similar in the playoffs. The difference has been the NE defense.
Those numbers are even more skewed when you consider Brady has played in 17 post season games to Manning's 13.
#s do lie sometimes. -Manning had a 90 rating against SD last month but led them on only 1 TD drive in the 2nd half(on a busted play by SD's D) and only needed 1 1st down to win the game and couldn't lead them to one. -Manning had a 90 rating against SD last year but he threw critical INTs including one at the SD GL that cost his team crucial points. -Manning had rating over 90 against Pitt in 2005 but that doesn't take into account the awful call on the Polamalu INT and the Indy D causing a TO and returning the ball to midfield for Manning and the O but again he couldn't lead his team to points to tie the game. Don't let #s fool you, that is all Manning is- just a #s guy. Brady is a WINNER and the best QB in the game BY FAR.
He might never be in the game again so tune your rhetoric. Even if he does return he will NEVER be the same and NEVER be the best QB in the game again by FAR or by a LITTLE.
Numbers lie, except when they don't. Gotta love junc's arguments. Anyway, this isn't a Colts thread. It's not a Patriots thread. Hell, it's not even a football thread. It's a New York baseball Yankees thread. Can we pull it back on topic? Maybe? I'll tell you what, I'll even spot you guys some Yankees material. The Yankees avoided arbitration with Bruney. He's been signed to a one-year deal. There's our 8th inning guy, and as long as he stays healthy, I like him setting up for Mo. Good news to me! Honestly, I'd like to see there be a wide-open competition for all outfield spots in spring training. Who knows? A guy might surprise you, especially when he's playing for a roster spot. It looks like right now they're going to carry everyone in ST. Then they'll gauge where they stand while in Tampa.
I love Bruney, I thought his injury last year played a part in the teams downfall. Alio I still don't like our bullpen though, aside from Marte Bruney and Mo we don't have much. Ramirez in a big situation scares the shit out of me.
We also have Veras, Giese Aceves, Coke, and possibly one of Hughes/Kennedy. To me, while not the "best" pen in the majors, that's one helluva bullpen. Kennedy (who I think should be in the pen for middle relief) Aceves Coke Giese Ramirez Marte Veras Bruney Rivera I like that group to tell you the truth. Especially with the rotation we're putting out there.
If you are willing to put Kennedy in the pen for long relief then you have given up on him as a starter and he should be traded. He won't develop in a situation where he rarely or never pitches.
OR... You feel like he's learned all he's ever going to in the minors, and he needs to learn how to pitch in the majors and you'd rather his "trial by fire" come in games that are already lopsided one way or the other. AND... You don't really want to trade him when his value is practically zilch.
Agree x 2 He's the perfect failed starter convert long reliever. He's shown he's shown he's neurotic as they come, and can pitch decent in no pressure minor league games, might as well throw him out there in no-pressure MLB games. This is the only way to get his stock up from where it lies in the basement right now.
Keep in mind I'm still not convinced he won't ever be a starter. I just think it's a smarter move to get him adjusted to MLB hitters in the pen, in situations where he doesn't affect the outcome, before you start trying to squeeze him into the rotation again. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. I just don't think putting him on the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Shuttle (sounded so much better when it was Columbus) is the right way to handle him. Maybe he'll only pan out as a reliever. It would suck, but I'd rather find out while we have a loaded rotation and pen than when we're trying to fill a need role.
I'm not sold on Geise or Coke although I like Coke alot. I also don't mind Jose Veras. Idk...im taking a wait and see attitude with the bullpen. I also think if its that big of a problem, then midseason Nady or Swisher can bring us an arm.
I don't get it. You don't like the pen, except for Bruney, Marte, and Mo? Um... that right there is a pretty good pen. Most teams would kill to have that much in the pen. And the Yanks have depth on top of it. Bullpens can be very hit or miss... the Yanks are much better off with the depth they have. If Edwar or Veras don't work out, it could be Melancon and Coke. Or Sanchez. Or Robertson. Etc... The Yanks have a lot of young, big arms... guys who miss bats. They should be able to piece together a very effective pen. And let's not forget one of the more important aspects of this year's pen: They shouldn't have to pitch that much. Between Sabathia, Wang, Burnett (when healthy), and Pettitte, you have four guys who average more than six innings per start. A well-rested pen is an effective pen.
I have no problems whatsoever with our rotations+pen this year. Our bats on the otherhand...4 guys in bad decline: Po, Jetes, Matsui, Damon. I don't like it, and I feel we need another signing as leverage, hopefully getting rid of Matsui+either one of Nady/Swisher.
Posada (not counting last year being out with an injury) has had improving statistics over the past few years. That's the opposite of decline. I guess you could argue that Jeter's numbers were down last year from previous years, but it wasn't drastic. And with a vastly better lineup, I'd venture to say he'll have a good year. Not counting last year for Matsui (again, due to injury) his numbers are pretty consistent. And Damon's numbers were better last year across the board from the year before. I think this "need" to make "one more big signing" has been greatly overblown. Probably thanks to the same media that would be the first ones pointing the finger at the Yankees saying "Look, they never stop spending, see? How can anyone compete with that?"
That right there is not a good pen Cappy. You need depth in a bullpen, and I like Marte as a situational lefty, nothing more. But suppose Bruney goes down? You do make a very good point with the workload that the pen is going to go on this year based on previous years, but all I'm saying is if Bruney goes down I'd rather have someone else in a big spot then Veras or Edwar. Plus I don't want CC working the workload he did last year or even two years ago this year. He didn't break down but was definitely fatigued at the end of last year. I do see them swinging a deal for another arm with one of the surplus bats. I wouldnt be surprised if Melky or Nady or Swisher nets us a good arm for the pen. BTW Anyone here Torre on FAN?
Well, the Yankees are a finalist in the Hudson fray...I don't even know who Hudson is. I know he is from AZ. Is he a starter, reliever or position player? (Too lazy to look it up). Since I'm not an "insider" i can't read the link on ESPN.
he plays 2B... it's Hudson and his agent trying to get his price and interest up. Not much validity to the rumor
