For one, I hope the Jet's brass will push him out because of his unacceptably poor performance!!! Not by being mean to him. I'd hope he'd be polite about it. What reason would he have to be rude?? Oh, I forgot, he has a fanclub consisting of sycophants who love him despite his mediocrity. He's not used to expectations!!
This is what makes these arguements entertaining. Brett Favre is the reason we lost, but not the reason we won. The run and defense are the reason we won, but not the reason we lost. Why is it such a hard concept to accept that the WHOLE team lost? Why are we always looking for a scape goat? Did Favre play like ass the last 5 games? Absolutely. Does he deserve some blame? Of course. What about the Pass D? I don't hear ANYBODY talking about how Revis, Rhodes and company didn't stop the pass. Let's stop pointing the finger at the QB. Blame them all. For every pick Favre threw, the D could have returned the favor. I didn't see them forcing turn-overs in return. So...everybody needs to quit f-cking crying about Brett Favre and what could or should have been.
+1 that's just it though, some people were expecting favre to come in and take us to the super bowl, they didn't take into account that he wasn't doing anything to condition himself during the off season. He was playing on a new team, new play book, no chemistry with the players, and no tc with the team. Everyone just saw the name FAVRE and assumed he was going to take us to the promised land.
It's up to the Jets Brass to try and provide Brett the pieces he will need to have a legit shot at winning this year. I am not going to go into detailed specifics of what I think those pieces are but I have a feeling that after playing 18 years in the NFL, Brett probably knows exactly what's needed at this point. Will the Jets Brass utilize "Knowledge Management" in their effort to keep Brett Favre, that's really what it comes down to in the end !!!
And all of the '"Pro-Favre" people assume that he will improve over last year. What evidence is there that a 40 year old QB improves with another year of age? Favre starting streak is amazing, but everyone gets old. History is not kind to aging players. It's the sad truth that players tend to fall rapidly as they get older - not age gradually. One day you can cut it and the next day they can't. And this is with guys that have consistently kept their bodies in "peak" physical shape. Football is a game of fractions of seconds and the margin is super thin - especially for QB's. For me I'd rather find out what the Jets have in Clemens, Ratliff, and Ainge. With Favre here in 2009 it will just push back any knowledge of their capabilities. Could the Jets catch lightning in a bottle and have Favre come back to 2007 standards? Sure. However, 80+ years of NFL history would indicate otherwise. With this being Ryan's first year "honeymoon" why not find out what the Jets have in their stable?
Johnny, Let me just tackle the above issue for now. A couple of years ago a "very few" Green Bay fans wanted Aaron Rodgers to start. Those fans should feel lucky they didn't get their wish because as you are probably aware, the odds of a rookie QB doing well in the NFL go up when they have the chance to sit and learn behind a proven Starter for a couple of years ( Montana - Young ) for one example. In this case, Aaron sat on the bench for about three years if I am not mistaken. He was able to amass enough knowledge in that time to take him to the season he had last year. I could be wrong but I sincerely doubt that he would have been anywhere close to as productive had he not got to learn under Brett from the bench those three years. I think "Young Brett" may be in the same position as Aaron was three years ago and that's a great spot to be in unless you are thrown to the wolves to early. :beer:
Favre is clearly one of the dumbest QB in NFL history. Great natural talent but brains? I don't think so.
Who said anything about improving? If he has an "Average Favre" year, or even a little below average he'll still be in the better half of Qbs in the NFL. We need consistency. He can bring that.
Favre is going to wait until FA and the draft to make a talent evaluation of the Jets vs the rest of the league figure in his ability in the mix and than decide after working his super computer instead of his body if he's coming back. That coupled with the losses in his portfolio and the 13 million dollar last pay check will be the decider.
It is all Favre's fault that we lost those last couple of games he had nothing to do with the 8 & 3 start yea ok. It had nothing to do with our coach not playing to win. It had nothing to do with Sutton no blitzing he rushes 3 guys (you NEVER get pressure that way) & always playing the prevent D which only PREVENTS YOU FROM WINNING. It had nothing to do with Schotty who did not get Leon or Keller the ball at the end. It had nothing to do with our pass D who could not stop anyone all year NOT 1 GAME ALL YEAR. It had nothing to do with our run D who got ran over after a 8 & 3 start. Either some of you guys know nothing about football or you just have to find someone to blame so you choose Favre but the bottom line everyone SUCKED the last few games. THIS IS A FACT.
One thing that bothers me about this is, My nephew for example, is a small kid who just really became old enough to be a fan. He went nuts for Favre and the Jets. Got the jerseys and the whole 9 yards. I think Favre owes it to these kids to come back at least a year. I can't imagine back in the day if Namath did this when I was a kid. I would have been heartbroken.
what he said you nailed it Tom If we had a real defense last year down the stretch we play at least one more game. Thats where Ryan comes in. I have a good feeling about where we are headed, Favre or no Favre.
No one else that helped us lose is getting paid $13 mil per year. No one else that helped us lose is turning 40 this year.
Thanks 4 the memories Brett....we'll never forget the monumental collapse of '08....and that's saying a lot, since this is an organization which specializes in monumental collapses....
Originally Posted by johnny And all of the '"Pro-Favre" people assume that he will improve over last year. What evidence is there that a 40 year old QB improves with another year of age? Favre starting streak is amazing, but everyone gets old. I'm talking about improving over last year. Or are you happy with a 22 TD and 22 INT performance? Favre's average year since 2005 is not worth 13 millions dollars. What he did when he was winning NFL MVP awards has no bearing on what he will do in 2009. As far as consistency that is one thing that usually goes down with age.
This to me is the crux of the arguement. Why spend $13M on a QB that has no long term future for this team? I'd rather get a couple of medium priced (younger) free-agents than pay Favre that amount of money. The fact is that older players tend to get worse as they age. Favre already had his revival year in 2007. The chances of him having another one at age 40 is not good IMHO. And even at 8-3 and Favre playing well against the Titans and Pats he still had a couple of pretty bad games in the early / middle of the season. Was the entire collapse Favre's fault? Of course not. However, as bad as the Jets "D" was they gave up all of 27 points in the last two games. Don't blame the end-of-season failure entirely on the defense. Those last two games were winnable if the offense came to play.
The fact that some of you can not realize the whole fucking team collapsed last year not just one player. Shows how little football knowledge you have,if Brett doesn't come back and the Jets go with one of their present QB's. This team will not even go 8-8 this season.
