I'm not sure why the Yankees are even interested. If they set themselves on not bringing back Pettitte, then the answer to me is clear, you start one of the kids. Unless of course, none of Hughes, Aceves, or Kennedy fit into any future plans, which I find highly unlikely.
I agree and disagree. I think you never have enough good starting pitching. For a guy who has thrown less than 80 innings over the course of the past two years, Garcia is a hefty risk. With the Yankees, they have the 1-4 slots full already, so they're only looking to fill in the #5 spot. They have at least 4 options in Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy and Coke. One out of those 4 has to be a capable #5, or the Yankees have made some serious errors in judgement over the past few years. Personally, I see no reason why Phil Hughes isn't the #5 starter come Opening Day. If he's healthy, I see no reason why he wouldn't be. I figure Aceves will back in Scranton along with Kennedy, and Coke will have a spot in the pen. So Aceves and Kennedy are there if something happens. After that there is still Igawa (heaven forbid) and other options. If the Yankees get to that point, it won't have mattered whether they got Garcia. I think he'd be a better option for the Mets. Your rotation is far more shaky right now, so a bigger risk is more required. You really should not have let Lowe go to Atlanta. I think at some point soon Perez will be resigned. The Mets really should take a good look at Sheets as well.
um 1-4 slots are already filled but is that for the full year? burnett is always an injury risk as is wang. and sabbathia threw over 3400 pitches last year.and after a pitcher throws 3400 pitches,the next year he is 19-65% chance is gets an arm injury. http://www.rotoauthority.com/2009/01/the-3400-club.html injury risk the following season for pitchers who threw 3500+ pitches. I decided to dig more deeply into this topic, pulling the benchmark down to 3400 pitches thrown in a season. I included playoff pitches, as well as an estimate of minor league pitches thrown by Brett Myers this year. First up, your 2008 class (19 pitchers): Cole Hamels - 3914 C.C. Sabathia - 3912 Brett Myers - 3781 Jon Lester - 3738 Tim Lincecum - 3682 A.J. Burnett - 3650 Matt Cain - 3606 Johan Santana - 3598 Roy Halladay - 3560 Gil Meche - 3555 Joe Blanton - 3547 Chad Billingsley - 3543 James Shields - 3543 Justin Verlander - 3528 Ervin Santana - 3526 Mark Buehrle - 3490 Javier Vazquez - 3462 Ryan Dempster - 3450 Bronson Arroyo - 3436 How great is the injury risk for these guys? I'll go into detail on past years' results in future posts, but I'm seeing anywhere from 15 to 61% of those in this "club" deal with significant injury the following year. Best I can estimate is that anywhere from 3 to 12 of these 19 will be significantly injured in 2009.
Well, CC has little history to say that he will miss time. I do understand the point of him throwing a lot of pitches, but it's also been said that his motion leads to less proness to injury. He's only started under 30 games in a season once. Burnett might be slightly overblown in how injury prone he really is. He makes at least 20 starts every year. Obviously you want to get more, but if he's the 3rd or 4th starter, rather than the #2, it should extend his season at least a little bit. Wang is nowhere near injury-prone, so no Yankee fan is worried there. His injury last year was a freak accident that happened while running the bases. Honestly, of the guys in the first 4 slots in the rotation, Joba stands to pitch the least # innings. And that's by club mandate. Besides, I really think that at least by August (more likely sooner), Hughes will be higher on the depth chart than #5. The one injury risk, Burnett, will pitch significantly less innings in that case.
im sorry your yank-me goggles are getting fogged up again. A dozen pitchers tossed 6800 or more pitches across 2007-08: C.C. Sabathia - 7804 Gil Meche - 7133 Joe Blanton - 7030 Brandon Webb - 6980 Dan Haren - 6974 Matt Cain - 6957 Johan Santana - 6943 Javier Vazquez - 6925 Carlos Zambrano - 6895 Roy Halladay - 6890 Justin Verlander - 6883 Bronson Arroyo - 6867 I like Sabathia as much as the next guy...but he was three pitches away from being the MLB leader in pitches thrown in each of the last two seasons. At some point pitching far more than any other human has to take a toll. and wang... Missed remainder of season Jun 17, 2008: Right foot injury, 15-day DL. Jun 16, 2008: Foot injury, day-to-day. May 25, 2008: Missed 3 games (calf injury). May 22, 2008: Calf injury, day-to-day. Apr 24, 2007: Missed 18 games (right hamstring injury). Apr 1, 2007: Right hamstring injury, 15-day DL. Sep 6, 2005: Missed 52 games (right shoulder inflammation). Jul 14, 2005: Right shoulder inflammation, 15-day DL. HE IS A BITCH
Really, dude? Please. You have one injury on there that is pitching related, and three total injuries over the past four seasons... one of which - the calf injury - amounted to him *gasp* having his start pushed back one day!! Is Carlos Beltran an even bigger bitch? Are you worried about him staying healthy next year? Aug 10, 2007: Missed 15 games (abdominal injury). Jul 31, 2007: Abdominal injury, 15-day DL. Jul 25, 2007: Abdominal injury, day-to-day. Jun 5, 2007: Missed 3 games (right knee injury). Jun 1, 2007: Right knee injury, day-to-day. Sep 25, 2006: Missed 6 games (quadricep injury). Sep 22, 2006: Quadricep injury, day-to-day. Sep 11, 2006: Missed 1 game (bruised left knee). Sep 10, 2006: Bruised left knee, day-to-day. Sep 6, 2006: Missed 3 games (left knee injury). Sep 3, 2006: Left knee injury, day-to-day. Apr 29, 2006: Missed 6 games (hamstring). Apr 26, 2006: Hamstring, day-to-day. Apr 21, 2006: Hamstring, day-to-day. Apr 20, 2006: Missed 3 games (hamstring). Apr 17, 2006: Hamstring, day-to-day. Aug 17, 2005: Missed 4 games (shoulder injury). Aug 13, 2005: Shoulder injury, day-to-day. May 31, 2005: Missed 4 games (quadricep injury). May 26, 2005: Quadricep injury, day-to-day. May 25, 2005: Missed 3 games (quadricep injury). May 22, 2005: Quadricep injury, day-to-day. Aug 16, 2003: Missed 1 game (left elbow injury). Aug 14, 2003: Left elbow injury, day-to-day. Aug 12, 2003: Missed 2 games (elbow injury). Aug 10, 2003: Elbow injury, day-to-day. May 5, 2003: Missed 2 games (shoulder injury). May 4, 2003: Shoulder injury, day-to-day. Apr 18, 2003: Missed 14 games (strained oblique muscle). Mar 27, 2003: Strained oblique muscle, 15-day DL. Jul 26, 2001: Missed 2 games (left knee injury). Jul 23, 2001: Left knee injury, day-to-day. May 8, 2001: Missed 4 games (left hamstring injury). May 3, 2001: Left hamstring injury, day-to-day. Or what about K-Rod? Apr 13, 2008: Missed 4 games (ankle injury). Apr 8, 2008: Ankle injury, day-to-day. Aug 16, 2007: Missed 2 games (ankle injury). Aug 14, 2007: Ankle injury, day-to-day. Apr 19, 2006: Missed 2 games (hamstring). Apr 17, 2006: Hamstring, day-to-day. Jun 1, 2005: Missed 17 games (forearm injury). May 23, 2005: Forearm injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to May 15th). May 18, 2005: Forearm injury, day-to-day. May 2, 2003: Missed 7 games (bereavement list). Apr 23, 2003: Placed on the bereavement list. Bereavement list? What a pussy.
I think if they were still going outside for a 5th starter it wouldn't be Garcia, it would be Sheets. Garcia is 33 and Sheets is 30 and both have injury issues.
Sheets wouldn't be a #5 though, and it's doubtful they'll spend enough to bring in Sheets at this point. I wouldn't mind getting Sheets, mind you, but I just don't see the Yankees bothering at this point.
let me clear up the beltran injury report Aug 10, 2007: Missed 15 games (abdominal injury). Jun 5, 2007: Missed 3 games (right knee injury). Sep 6, 2006: Missed 10 games (left knee\quad injury).( ran into the wall in houstonrobbing an extra base hit) Apr 29, 2006: Missed 9 games (hamstring). Aug 17, 2005: Missed 4 games (shoulder injury). May 31, 2005: Missed 7 games (quadricep injury). beltran missed 48 games wang missed about 173??? but i do think your missing 2008 injury report for beltran..
It appears he has no offers at all. I thought the talk was he would only get about 4-5 million and incentives but maybe I am remembering that wrong.
The Mets did get Garcia apparently. A lot of money for somebody who has been as hurt as he has. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/mets-to-sign-fr.html
But look at the injuries. Wang had one fluke injury last year (his foot), and a strained calf that didn't even cost him a start. He had a pulled hammy in 2007. He missed three starts, if I recall. (Still made 30 for the year.) Then you have to go back to 2005 for the previous (and only pitching-related) injury. And the bulk of the time missed there was due to precaution on the part of the Yanks, as opposed to severity of the injury. Sorry, but I'm not buying this story that he's more of an injury risk than any other pitcher.
