In his column today he points out that the Jets hiring Ryan is following the same futile script of the last 40 years. Instead of hiring a proven head coach and giving him control (ala Parcells) take a chance on yet another unproven coordinator that can be manipulated and forced to follow Jet management's futile "plan". And the beat goes on.
Puhlease.... To me, I want a HC who is considered a "Genius" at something... Herm was a Cheerleader and Mangini was Book Smart... Rex is "Mad Scientist" AND a guy who the players love... Any jackass media whore can make up some ridiculous storyline to sell a paper.. Bottom lines, Rex is the guy I wanted this side of Cowher.... If they hired Shanny, this Blowhard woudl tell us today that Shanny hasn't won in a decade and had Elway - If we hired Billick - we'd hear about how this guy was supposed to be an offensive guru who's offenses reaked like a bad egg.... Any way you slice it - Wallace Mathews Job today was to be a dick head. Good Job Wallace "Dick Head" Mathews.
Wallace Mathews is an asshat who only writes about gloom-and-doom stuff to be controversial and sell papers.
bottom line is, only time will tell, but if this fails, Tannenbaum better be walking out the door, with Rex.
I can understand the mindset of a contrarian. You look around and see people going off on these over optimistic jags, and you know from experience they are usually wrong to be so optimistic. But that doesn't mean reflexive pessimism is any more realistic and accurate. Even the part about Parcells, which in some ways was a fair point, is problematic since even Parcells seems to have gotten burned out by the combo role of GM and HC. While he was still here he left the HC role, and is not playing it now, either.
Can’t say that I disagree; I’ve posted this before but up to now we had 14 head coaches; 10 were first time hot prospects, two were failed NFL coaches and two were successful (winning) NFL coaches. The only two with previous success in the big leagues were Weeb and Parcells whom got us to the superbowl and AFC championship game respectably I fear that Ryan will be just like the other 10 prospects but only time will tell. I can tell you this much – I don’t really care half as much as I used to at this point.
Kotite wasn't a failed NFL coach until he came to New York. Obviously he turned out to be a failure of epic proportions, but he had a respectable winning record (36-28) at the time he was hired.
He's right. We may come out better this time but there's no reason to believe that we will. The two really successful head coaching tenures post-merger were Parcells and Walt Michaels. Michaels took a long time to get up to speed and then self-destructed at the end. Parcells got it right instantly and then abandoned ship after the first waves rolled in to disrupt the smooth sailing. Parcells was a high profile hire, which is the way to go in this market. Michaels was a hire from in house which is probably the best way to go if you decide not to bring in the real deal. The in house hires at least know what went wrong in the last regime and also fully understand what coaching in this market means.
Do you or Wallace Matthews know what has been more futile than the Jets coaching hirse? Hiring a coach who has already won a Super Bowl. This is a fact. No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with one team and then proceeded to win another with a different team. Mnay have tried and all have failed. Parcells - Failed in NE and NY Johnson - Fail in Miami Holmgren - Fail in Seattle Vermeil - Fail in KC Gibbs - Fail in Washington (2nd stint) Flores - Fail in Seattle Seifert - Fail in Carolina There is no proven formula for hiring a winning head coach. This season, a first timer will be crowned champion. Recently, coaches on their second tour have been successful (Coughlin, Billick) To Wally's point, the reasons behind some of the coaching hires and who hired them have changed over the years.
I'm not sure about futile 40 year script, but since Woody has owned the Jets, none of the HCs have been allowed to choose their staff, and that trend is definitely continuing.
Yes, but the counter argument is that many coaches have been successful with one team, moved on and then won a Super Bowl. Belichik Cleveland-New England, Dungy Tampa Bay-Indianapolis, Gruden Oakland-Tampa Bay, Vermeil Philadelphia-Kansas City-St Louis, Shula Baltimore-Miami, Shanahan Oakland-Denver, etc. If you look at who actually wins Super Bowls you find that they almost all come from three distinct classes: previously successful head coaches elsewhere, previously successful coordinators with the same franchise, previously successful head coaches at the college level. 2008 - Tom Coughlin, previously successful at Jacksonville 2007 - Tony Dungy, previously successful at Tampa Bay 2006 - Bill Cowher, previously Defensive Coordinator at KC 2005 - Bill Belichik, previously successful at Cleveland 2003 - Jon Gruden, previously successful at Tampa Bay 2001 - Brian Billick, previously Offensive Coordinator at Minnesota 2000 - Dick Vermeil, previously successful at Kansas City and Philadelphia 1999 - Mike Shanahan, previously coached at Oakland 1997 - Mike Holmgren, previously Offensive Coordinator at San Francisco, but had an amazing rep at that point for developing QB talent at all levels. QB is the most important position by far in professional football. 1996 - Barry Switzer, previously successful at Oklahoma 1995 - George Seifert, previously Defensive coordinator at same team. 1994 - Jimmy Johnson, previously successful at Miami U. 1992 - Joe Gibbs, previously Offensive Coordinator at San Diego 1991 - Bill Parcells, previously Defensive Coordinator at same team. 1989 - Bill Walsh, previously successful at Stanford 1986 - Mike Ditka, previously Defensive Coordinator at Dallas Stretching back 23 seasons there have been just 2 defensive coordinators hired from outside the team without previous head coaching experience who have then lead a team to a Super Bowl win. Mike Ditka in 1986 and Bill Cowher in 2006. Cowher of course had been with the Steelers for 12 years when he finally got them to the big show. What's the problem with hiring a defensive coordinator from outside the team to run the show? Well, it's probably related to the difficulty that those guys have in finding a QB to run the show for them. By definition there is not a successful QB on the teams they take over, because if there was the previous guy would not have gotten fired. So they are starting from scratch trying to find a great QB and they don't know much about QB's. If they take over from within the ranks the odds are better that they know the talent on the team and can prioritize the QB search accordingly. The odds are also much better that they have an existing offensive mind somewhere in the organization to help them out with that process. Rex Ryan is going to sink or swim, and the Jets alongside him, depending on whether or not he finds a good QB to run the show.
You forgot the greatest coach of all in that list. Lombardi failed in Washington...lol. But I understand the point and I don't know why others don't. At least Parcells got close, the others were total bums in their second jobs. There are no guarantees in this game.
I guess Wallace Matthews missed every game this week, where a slew of first time head coaches lead their teams to conference championship games. Obviously Andy Reid has been around for quite some time, but this is his first and only head coaching job. In this year's playoffs, the only head coaches with previous NFL experience were Coughlin, Dungy, and Norv Turner. Ryan is a guy with a record of consistent success and the respect of the guys who have played for him. I for one am all aboard on this. -X-
Wow, you did some reaching there. Belichik successful at Cleveland? nah, Switzer? handed a Championship team, Seifert the same. The past is the past, now you have two coordinators from different teams in the Super Bowl. Those coaches you mentioned had a successful team or were able to build over several years.....todays game is no where near the same.
Playing into the theme of things, here's what I don't get: hiring a head coach SHOULD be real easy. If you'd throw $10-15 million at a star athlete, you should also be willing to throw that same amount for the greatest coach available. When you think about the millions wasted on players that don't perform, I don't get why owners don't invest the same in the coaching position. Plus, coaching salaries don't count against the soon-to-expire salary cap. But, if we wanted, say, Bill Parcells, or Jimmy Johnson (for example only), it makes sense to offer them the world in salary to bring them here when they're free agents. It would make sense for some owner to call Bill Belichick's agent and make it known to him that, when his contract expires, you'd pay him more than any player in the game. Subtly, of course.
There may be a bigger point that you are missing. Yes those guys have won in second jobs but that is because they are still hungry and still trying to prove something. Why has no coach who won never won again? I thinks it's because they no longer have the same drive.
