Make Bill Callahan the OC...

If/when sounds good, but why not just say:
KICK OUT Schotty and insert Callahan. If so, then I say yes!

 

Agreed. Alot of people have a poor opinion on Callahan because of his god awful performances as HC. But as an OC he has gotten it done; those early 00's Raider offenses were dynamic. He made Garner and Wheatley a deadly combo, and I'd be intrigued if he used Leon and TJ in the same way. Garner had 900 rushing and 900 receiving yards one year.... I'm sure Leon could do something like 600/600 if used properly while not taking away TJ's carries. We need to be a run-first O.

I'm going to assume RR hires the Ravens QB coach as our OC though, which isn't anything to get excited over.

 

Tampa Bay fired Bill Muir when Gruden got the axe, I would like to see him back as our strength coach did wonders while he was here with the O line

 

I still want to see what Schotty can do without the "MANG-cuffs" on. If Schotty leaves, we have Callahan to fall back on be it this year or next.

 

I would like Callahan as my number 1 "possibility" with number two being Shott realistically thats all we know of as of this time

 

Make whomever Ryan wants offensive coordinator. If you can't trust your head coach to make the right choice you've got the wrong head coach.

 

I agree with this... what I hope for is that Ryan can make an unbiased evaluation of Schotty as OC, rather that simply going out and hiring (promoting) a guy he knows for the comfort level it brings.

BTW, I've never been impressed by any Baltimore offense. Maybe Ryan sees something I can't, but I would NOT be optomistic to have ANY Balt offensive coaches here, unless maybe the O line coach could prove an exception.

 

I want Schotty back as OC. Ryan would make him call the aggressive plays that he does on defense. Schotty certainly won't be handcuffed by this conservative BS like I believe Mangini forced him to do. Also Schotty knows this offense and could help Rex make the proper assesment. I think the collapse had to do with Favres interceptions, which Schotty can't necessarily control, and Mangini's lack of balls. To also see some continuality, I would like Schotty to stay at least 1 more year.

 

I said it before in another thread, but I would absolutely love Callahan to be offensive coordinator. Schotty can take his whining elsewhere.

 

I don't recall Schotty whining... but now see that you are prone to it. The guy DESERVES another chance. He did a GREAT job in his first year. Is there any coincidence that the defense got more conservative the same time the offense did? Karnak says it was in the stars. I say it was Mangini. FiremanEdJr says.... well, he makes stuff up. Show me where Schotty whined.

 

If reports are true, Mr. Thunderbird, that Schottenheimer is so distraught over not being named head coach that he would prefer to coach elsewhere, then I would consider that whining. I could care less about his particular style of coaching, because I was extremely frustrated with his insistence on using the shotgun spread on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short, and his continued preference for the short passing game instead of pounding the run. When the Jets were winning and scoring points, there was more running, and an increased use of Leon. When we started to struggle, Schottenheimer abandoned the run and put the game on the inconsistent shoulders of Brett Favre. I don't see any conservatism in passing more, and even passing deep more than pounding the run. In fact, I would argue that a more conservative offense would've benefited this team.

And if you are going to argue that I "make stuff up," well, then, let's take your argument that "he did a great job in his first year." Schottenheimer took over the Jets job in 2006, and that year the Jets were 18th in scoring offende, 25th in total offense, 16th in passing offense, and 20th in rushing offense. Is that a "great job?" To me, it seems like an extremely mediocre job.

 

I won't hold it against Schittenheimer to want out of here after not being chosen as HC. It's kind of a slap in the face, we had same situation when we hired Mangini but had interviewed Heimerdinger. He was let go out of respect, and if Schitt wants out it's completely understandable. What isn't understandable is why we want Schitt to stay so badly.

 

To be honest i wanna see Shotty go. He hasn't done really anything in the 3 years he's been here. I rather Rex pick his own OC or promote Callahan to OC.

 

schottenheimer has been held back the last 3 seasons by a conservative headcoach. he has a dynamic playcalling style (as per what I understood off of Chris Mortenson and Steve Mariucci) both spoke about schottenheimer as a young, and bright offensive mind.

if in this season the Jets are not in the top 3 in offensive production, i will gladly see him leave.

but im not quite satisfied with wanting him to leave when he has yet to coach to his full potential.

 

OK,let me back off a bit... there are UNsubstantiated reports that Shotty isn't happy. SHOULD he be after getting passed over even if it is true? Most people in the running for a promotion and don't get it aren't exactly thrilled, but to call what some of these chit stirring reporters are writing and say Schotty is whining is more than a stretch... it's it's an exaggeration that OK, falls short of making something up, but it is very unfair to characterize Schotty as a whiner based on a reporter's guesswork heresay. That is a leap that is not justified at all in my opinion.

Given what Schott had to work with, yes, in 2006 I think he did a great job in his first year. He caught and fooled opposing defenses on a regular basis. He got points on the board with smoke and mirrors. We had no running game. Rememebr some guy named Barlow? We had no big time WR's. We had a patchwork O line that was awful.

I may overuse the word "conservative" when I actually mean predictable. This past year, we often ran when we should have run, and ran when we should have passed. It boils down to play calling, and we don't know who was calling the plays.

IF Schotty comes out and whines, fine... but he hasn't and he won't. Coles whines. Other players have whined. To say Schotty is a whiner because some reporter who won't name a source says he isn't happy to have been passed over... is a biased unfounded statement. Just say you want Schotty gone. I can understand that opinion.

 

I love how all of Schotty's good performances were because he's such a dynamic brilliant football mind but all his bad ones seem to be Mangini's fault.

 

It's really hard to gauge how Mangini's influence helped or hurt him, or how much of it was Schotty's ability. It's one of those things that isn't going to be decided unless he comes back and does good or completely shits the bed.

 

Some of the more conservative gameplans could have been due to Mangini's influence but the more idiotic gameplans (see KC) don't seem like Mangini's thing at all.

 

I can agree with that. Just because they don't work out doesn't mean that it was Mangini's fault. If we go for it on 4th and inches with a PA Deep ball and fail after trying to convert 3rd and inches with a PA deep ball and failing that can't be because the same guy who decided to punt early and punt often.