Top 50 CB Analysis (Jets players are in it)

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  1. Raiderjoe

    Raiderjoe Banned

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    True or false alot of guys don't admit there mistake and will keep a guy to justify the trade. Raiders traded a 2 and sixth rounder for hall. (thats alot to give up for a player no longer on roster not tp mention all the cap space he eat up) Who knew Chris Johnson( Guy literally came out of nowhere-0 he is no spring chicken) would develop this late in his career. If raiders would have known what they had on their roster they wouldn't have made trade. Thats the beauty of hindsight.
     
  2. Raiderjoe

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    Again It wasn't me going off topic. Just was answering the previous posters question. So blame him.

    BTw I notice you haven't made any more comments about Lowery. (How that was another Jet fourth round steal) I nailed that one. GUy sucks and not going to be a jet much longer with Rex Ryan coming in. LMAO

    39. Dwight Lowery, New York Jets
    Season Totals: 84 attempts, 7.32 YPA, 35.71 Forced INC%, 8 TDs, 1 INT

    My two cents: I feel bad for Dwight Lowery because he is playing in the wrong system. He doesn’t have the skills needed to play in a mostly man-to-man defense. I feel like he could excel in a cover two scheme, but he was abused as a rookie for the Jets. It got so bad that the Jets brought in Ty Law off the streets to take playing time away from Lowery. His numbers aren’t hideous, but his eight TDs allowed led the entire NFL and he was outmatched in many games. If the Jets continue to run their current defensive scheme, I have little confidence that Lowery will improve on these numbers. ( wow This guy pretty much said what I was preaching on this board for months.
     
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  3. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    you should answer his 2nd question too..

    BTw I noticed you haven't made anymore comments about Huff. I nailed that one. GUy sucks and not going to be a Raider much longer with newshitty head coach coming in.

    Lowery lead the team in Forced Fumbles and Passes Defensed. He's a 4th round pick, not a top 7 pick.

    You lose. (pretty much what happens when you type and hit "post reply"
     
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  4. martinsec339

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    you cant really compare a CB that has 29 passes his direction to a CB that has 70+. Its a lot easier to have a lower %. Asomugha is a good CB but how do you say he is the best.
     
  5. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Only 29 passes thrown his direction because he is that good.
     
  6. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    if QBs can't even throw at the CB to test him, he's that good.

    He removes a WR from the field.
     
  7. Raiderjoe

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    Truth Of the matter IS Huff biggest problem is he was doing a little too much partying off the field.BIg part Of Oakland club scene. Worrying more about getting laid than working on his craft. ( Asomugha biggest problem with some of the young players) Huff isn't going anywhere. Unlike Lowery this guy has the skills to play in the NFl. Being benched last year could be the thing that gets his act straightened out. Raiders didn't do as well against the Tes last year without Huff. Huff controlled most of the Tes he faced the previous year.

    Again Huff just needs to grow up. Tough to be that young and have alot of cash. Prediction before its all said and done Hyuff will be a big part of raiders secondary.

    Lowery led your team in giving up TDs too. Lowerey Leading your team in fumbles and pass defense just confirms how bad your pass defense was. Just like your Team-You Lose
     
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  8. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    so you say Lowery is in the wrong system, then its he can't play at all, even though he has made plays.

    so which one is it?

    no shit about the pass defense.

    Raiders D is never good.
     
  9. Raiderjoe

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    Ronde baRber couldn't play in a man defense either. In a zone defense the guy was a probowl cornerback. Like Barber, Lowery better play in that zone defense because he dosen't have the speedd to play in a man to man defense.(thats his only chance to be sucessful) Lowery probably wasn't even on Raiders draft board. Rex Ryan you must be able to play man to man(loves guys with blazing speed) So in all probability this guy career as a Jet is pretty much over with.

    Correct me iF Im wrong. What was I saying with your LBS you would have trouble matching up with anyone in coverage. You didn't have any CB opposite Revis. (well before the season started)

    Raider defense has the ability to be very good . Rob Ryan just didn't get the4 job done . Raiders just need a season veteran on defense (MLB) . Once Raiders offense starts taking off, teams are going to have to go with the pass to keep up. Then your playing right into Raiders strength.
     
  10. martinsec339

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    No I understand that but he is covering your best wide receiver, if you are only throwing at your best WR 2-3 times a game you are taking your player out he has not done anything. A good OC knows how to run crossing patterns and WR picks then he is beat. I do understand that he is good and you don't want to throw at him a lot, but what are teams doing that he only had to defend 29 passes, it just seams insane.
     
  11. JoeWillie130

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    Revis, although not as picked on, had a very similar rookie year to Lowry last year. Although lowry got beat often, most of the time he was in position to make a play but didn't know where the ball was or he was a split second too late. Another year under his belt and he will have better ball awareness and that split second he was late on will change in his favor. Revis got beat like this a lot last year as well. You felt man he was right there on that play but a split second too late or if he just would have turned around. This year he was lights out.

    Honestly our corners I am not worried about. It was the lack of a pass rush and the fact that our linebackers couldn't cover anyone that killed us the second half of the season.
     
  12. WhiteShoeWillis

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    No, Revis had a much MUCH better rookie season. Lowery looks like he could become a solid nickel back at best.
     
  13. NDmick

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    I really wish I had another answer besides "there is a 95% chance you aren't beating him on any given play."

    I don't enjoy giving Raider players A++.... but he gets one.
     
  14. Jake

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    Nevertheless he should be getting bashed by all of Raider Nation for his lunatic signings (Hall, Javon Walker) and the contract given to Tommy Kelly. Now you can tell me why Kelly is top 5 DT in NFL... Fact is you guys couldn't stop the run this year and that falls largely on Kelly. Tell me when are Morrison and Howard going to make the pro-bowl? Tackling machines right? 4.5 speed at LB position is hard to defend right? Too bad they can't make any f'n plays in the trenches.
     
  15. NDmick

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    Can't get the job done with shit players.
     
  16. Raiderjoe

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    Again Hall has all the athlethic ability to play in Raiders man to man defense. The guy was more comfortable playing off the reciever (likes to peak at the QB) . Than playing right up on the WR. Thats why Chris Johnson 6'1 200 blazing speed and physical Cb was a better fit in Raiders system. (again No one could have predicted Johnson coming out of nowhere and be that effective) Al Davis bit the bullet and admitted his mistake trading for him. Raiders really don't lose anything with any of the three having to play on the outside. (Asomugha, Routt and chris Johnson) The problem is neither one of those Cb's are as comfortable playing the slot reciever.(still need to find someone)


    Javon Walker - He was the only number one type of reciever out there. Right now the signing dosen't look good but we have to see. Alot of things happened to Javon Walker o0ff the field and he was coming back from a knee injury.(those things usually take two years to recover. Javon Walker probably going to be back. Still Raiders can't depend on J Walker. The Raiders have to bring in another Veteran WR(dependable WR Like Houshmandzadeh) to go with their talented young WRs. (Higgins, Schilens and Shields)
    Anything they get out of Javon Walker would be gravy at this point.

    Tom Kelly was a key signing for the Raiders than and is still now. Raiders could use another stout DT, but the DT position was not the problem they had against the run. Raiders Des due to injury were a little undersized and Lbs were out of position too much.
    Raiders are in need a true Mlb(more stout against run) Howard/R Brown
    and Morrison/Alston on the outside.
    Once Raider offense starts to take off, than you will see Teams have to play keep Up .
    Playing right into raider hands. (pass)

    Raider have too much talent on defense and Rob Ryan just didn't get the job done. It was time for a change .


    Btw- Every team has there signings they like to forget. For example you gave how muvh to JAG Kenyon Coleman.

    How much to Alan faneca- had a real down year and is just going to get worse. D Woody- this guy was very effective run blocker but a turnstile at Rt. Kerry Rhodes got a very very big contract and was no where close to player he was before.
     
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  17. Raiderjoe

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    Jets wish they had half the talent Raiders have on defense. If Raiders defense has shit players, than i don't even know comparison you can make to Jet players.

    Look at young pass rushers 6th round Trevor Scott >>>>>>> 6 pick Vernon Gholston.
    Undrafted FA (Greyson Gunheim) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 pick Vernon gholston.
    Both Raiders Defensivelineman have the triangle numbles like Gholston but Unlike gholston they have the desire . Not to mention the premier speed rusher coach . Former Probowler Keith Milliard- Raiders Dline. Go look up his track record developing some of the best pass rushers. Don't give me Ghgolston switching positions. Trevor Scott was a TE in college, who only converted to De two years ago. All this guy has to0 do is get stronger and than look out.
     
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  18. MBGreen

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    why does it stink like "Fart" in this thread?......oh here's why...Jeaux is talking out of his ass again.

    maybe the Raiders should get more than 4 wins in a season before you start criticizing other teams' rosters.
     
  19. Raiderjoe

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    Again Raiders will be only as good as Russell is. Thats why it's imperative that they get him some protection. It wasn't coincidence that Russell really started to play well down the stretch ,when raiders inserted Mario Henderson at LT. IF mario Henderson accomplishment -shut down R seymour, Mario Williams and Gaines adams was not a fluke. They really only need a rt. There is some good Lt(competition for mario Henderson)in this draft , that Raiders should be able to get at seven. Once raiders get that kind of oline- people will see just how good Russell and Raiders running game is. Raiders defense has so much talent that it just getting the right DC to put it all together.
     
  20. SyracuseJet

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    They're fucked. :raiders:
     

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