Just reference for those who do not think Brick is progressing..Stats don't lie. Faneca and Woody may have helped the run game, but the Passing game protection came from Mangold Moore and Brick Oh and Jason Peters Pro Bowl with 11 sacks?!?! LT 1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) 6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) 6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts) 13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 14. D?Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts) 17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) 31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) *PRO-BOWL* LG 1. Kris Dielman (Chargers) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 1. Charlie Johnson (Colts) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 1. David Baas (49ers) 0 sacks allowed (9 starts) 4. Carl Nicks (Saints) 0.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) 5. Todd Herremans (Eagles) 0.75 sacks allowed (15 starts) 6. Brian Waters (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 7. Josh Beekman (Bears) 1.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 8. Robert Gallery (Raiders) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) 8. Reggie Wells (Cardinals) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) 10. Eugene Amano (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 10. Chris Chester (Ravens) 2.0 sacks allowed (11 starts) 12. Chester Pitts (Texans) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 12. Ben Hamilton (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 12. Travelle Wharton (Panthers) 2.5 sacks allowed (14 starts) 12. Jacob Bell (Rams) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) 12. Jeff Smiley (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) 17. Rich Seubert (Giants) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 17. Pete Kendall (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 17. Justin Blalock (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 27. Eric Steinbach (Browns) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 21. Floyd Womack (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (14 starts) 22. Edwin Mulitalo (Lions) 4.25 sacks allowed (11 starts) 23. Arron Sears (Bucs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 23. Uche Nwaneri (Jags) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 23. Cory Procter (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 26. Logan Mankins (Pats) 5.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 26. Andrew Whitworth (Bengals) 5.0 sacks allowed (10 starts) 28. Daryn Colledge (Packers) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 29. Steve Hutchinson (Vikings) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 29. Alan Faneca (Jets) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 31. Chris Kemoeatu (Steelers) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 32. Derrick Dockery (Bills) 8.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) C 1. Olin Kreutz (Bears) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 1. Todd McClure (Falcons) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 1. Chris Myers (Texans) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 1. Kevin Mawae (Titans) 0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 1. Ryan Kalil (Panthers) 0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 6. Brad Meester (Jags) 0.25 sacks allowed (10 starts) 7. Lyle Sendlein (Cardinals) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 8. Duke Preston (Bills) 0.75 sacks allowed (11 starts) 9. Casey Wiegmann (Broncos) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 9. Jeff Faine (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts) 12. Nick Mangold (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 12. Andre Gurode (Cowboys) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 12. Shaun O?Hara (Giants) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 12. Matt Birk (Vikings) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 12. Jeff Saturday (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 12. Dominic Raiola (Lions) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 12. Nick Leckey (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (10 starts) 19. Jason Brown (Ravens) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 19. Jamaal Jackson (Eagles) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts) 21. Hank Fraley (Browns) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 21. Nick Hardwick (Chargers) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) 21. Jake Grove (Raiders) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) 21. Chris Spencer (Seahawks) 2.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 25. Rudy Niswanger (Chiefs) 3.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 25. Scott Wells (Packers) 3.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) 27. Eric Heitmann (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 27. Eric Ghaiciuc (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 29. Samson Satele (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 29. Dan Koppen (Pats) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 31. Casey Rabach (Redskins) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 32. Justin Harwig (Steelers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) RG 1. Chris Kuper (Broncos) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 2. Jake Scott (Titans) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 2. Max Jean-Gilles (Eagles) 0.5 sacks allowed (10 starts) 4. Chris Snee (Giants) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 4. Harvey Dahl (Falcons) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 4. Jason Spitz (Packers) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 4. Ikechuku Ndukwe (Dolphins) 1.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) 4. Brad Butler (Bills) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts) 4. Davin Joseph (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 4. Adrian Jones (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (10 starts) 11. Rex Hadnot (Browns) 1.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 12. Deuce Lutui (Cardinals) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 12. Brandon Moore (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 12. Mike Brisiel (Texans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)?ERFA 12. Jahri Evans (Saints) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)?RFA 12. Mike Pollak (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts) 12. Stephen Neal (Pats) 2.0 sacks allowed (9 starts) 18. Roberto Garza (Bears) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 19. Randy Thomas (Redskins) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 19. Robbie Williams (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 19. Cooper Carlisle (Raiders) 4.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) 19. Stephen Peterman (Lions) 4.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 19. Tony Wragge (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)?RFA 24. Leonard Davis (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL* 24. Mike Goff (Chargers) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 26. Darnell Stapleton (Steelers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 27. Ben Grubbs (Ravens) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 27. Richie Incognito (Rams) 6.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 29. Dennis Norman (Jags) 7.25 sacks allowed (14 starts) 30. Anthony Herrera (Vikings) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) No Seahawk or Panther started more then 8 games at RG RT 1. Ryan Diem (Colts) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 1. Ray Willis (Seahawks) 1.5 sacks allowed (10 starts) 4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 4. Mark Tauscher (Packers) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts) 6. Ryan Harris (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 6. Tyson Clabo (Falcons) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 8. Langston Walker (Bills) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 8. Nick Kaczur (Pats) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 10. Willie Anderson (Ravens) 3.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 11. Kareem McKenzie (Giants) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 11. Vernon Carey (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 11. Kevin Shaffer (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 14. Jeff Otah (Panthers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) 15. Tony Pashos (Jags) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 15. Marc Colombo (Cowboys) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)?RFA 18. John Tait (Bears) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 18. Jeremy Trueblood (Bucs) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 18. Ryan Cook (Vikings) 6.0 sacks allowed (14 starts) 18. Gosder Cherilus (Lions) 6.0 sacks allowed (13 starts) 22. Damien Woody (Jets) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 22. Jeromey Clary (Chargers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 22. Jon Jansen (Redskins) 6.5 sacks allowed (11 starts) 25. Jon Runyan (Eagles) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 25. Damion McIntosh (Chiefs) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 27. Cornell Green (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) 27. Alex Barron (Rams) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 29. Eric Winston (Texans) 8.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) 30. Stacy Andrews (Bengals) 9.5 sacks allowed (15 starts) 31. Adam Snyder (49ers) 9.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) 32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
The more important question is: why 5 LT's and no RT's? That's just asinine. They don't put 5 Tailbacks and no Fullbacks on the pro-bowl roster, why do they do this really stupid thing with the tackles?
good post...just became a member, but i was at the draft when we drafted dbrick, and i was pretty happy about the pic as i think every jet fan was at that point. its good to see he's finally progressing
Some more stats. Brick had 2 false starts and 1 holding penalty. Faneca had 3 false starts and 0 holding penalties Moore had 2 false starts and 2 holding penalties Mangold had 1 false start and 2 holding penalties Woody had 4 false starts and 1 holding penalty
First you can't just rely on Stats , they do not account for pressures, tipped passes, Qb holding to long, WR who cannot get open etc. The knock on B'rick is his run blocking ability so no surprise he is middle of the pack for pass protection. Woody was abysmal pass blocking all year and we all knew it but was a stud all year in run blocking As far a Moore goes your RG should be the lowest, interior lineman don't face the same pass rushers as the Tackles, Teams want to pressure form the back side (left for most RH QB's), and most DL when rush and do spin moves naturally spin to their right into Mangold rather than LG 's opponet who spins toward the LT who already has his hands full. Without a doubt Faneca did not have his best season but he is still without a doubt our 2nd best on the OL. Mangold is a stud.
i knew faneca was overrated. the jets' O-line as a whole is much worse at pass-blocking than they are at run-blocking but faneca might have the biggest disparity there
i swore he was a 3rd rounder? then who am i thinking of??... EDIT: I am thinking of Adrain Jones, and he was a 4th rounder.. my bad
Faneca isnt overrated I would say, he did alot of work helping Brick on that left side, yea hes gonna give up some sacks, but i Faneca was brought in to help these guys protect the QB better and for run blocking which Faneca excells in, another season with these guys well another HEALTHY one and these guys can only get better
Brick, Mangold and Moore can get better. Faneca and Woody will probably get worse. I'd like to see us start preparing their replacements for the future. If we wait until it's a dire need, we'll have another season like 2005.
Moore was a defensive lineman in college making the transition even better. Good job Moore. Faneca can improve as well.
Of the LT's that started all 16 games, D'Brick is 5th in sacks allowed. To be fair this should be broken down by sacks allowed per pass play. I don't have that data, but here's the per/game breakdown. Code: sacks allowed games sacks allowed/game 1 Ryan Clady Broncos 0.5 16 0.03125 2 Michael Roos Titans 1 16 0.0625 3 Tra Thomas Eagles 2 16 0.125 4 Orlando Pace Rams 2 14 0.142857143 5 Jake Long Dolphins 2.5 16 0.15625 6 Jordan Gross Panthers 3 15 0.2 6 Jammal Brown Saints 3 15 0.2 6 Jared Gaither Ravens 3 15 0.2 7 Marcus McNeill Chargers 3 14 0.214285714 8 Tony Ugoh Colts 3 12 0.25 8 Chris Samuels Redskins 3 12 0.25 8 D’Brickashaw Ferguson Jets 4 16 0.25 9 Todd Weiner Falcons 3 11 0.272727273 10 Joe Thomas Browns 4.5 16 0.28125 11 Walter Jones Seahawks 3.5 12 0.291666667 26 Branden Albert Cheifs 4.5 15 0.3 13 Bryant McKinnie Vikings 4 12 0.333333333 14 Max Starks Steelers 4 11 0.363636364 15 Mike Gandy Cardinals 6.25 16 0.390625 16 David Diehl Giants 6.5 16 0.40625 17 Flozell Adams Cowboys 7.25 16 0.453125 18 Khalif Barnes Jags 7.5 16 0.46875 18 Matt Light Pats 7.5 16 0.46875 19 Levi Brown Bengals 5.5 11 0.5 19 Chad Clifton Packers 7.5 15 0.5 20 Joe Staley 49ers 8.5 16 0.53125 20 Donald Penn Bucs 8.5 16 0.53125 21 Jeff Backus Lions 9.25 16 0.578125 22 John St. Clair Bears 9.75 16 0.609375 23 Kwame Harris Raiders 7.5 11 0.681818182 24 Duane Brown Texans 11.5 16 0.71875 25 Jason Peters Bills 11.5 13 0.884615385 edit: OK - got the passes attempted data. Sacks/Pass Attempted* Code: sacks games Passes Passes/Game Sacks/Pass 1 Ryan Clady Broncos 0.5 16 620 38.75 0.0008 2 Michael Roos Titans 1 16 453 28.31 0.0022 3 Tra Thomas Eagles 2 16 606 37.88 0.0033 4 Orlando Pace Rams 2 14 520 32.50 0.0044 5 Jammal Brown Saints 3 15 636 39.75 0.0050 6 Jake Long Dolphins 2.5 16 491 30.69 0.0051 7 Tony Ugoh Colts 3 12 585 36.56 0.0068 8 Marcus McNeill Chargers 3 14 478 29.88 0.0072 9 Jared Gaither Ravens 3 15 433 27.06 0.0074 10 D’Brickashaw Ferguson Jets 4 16 529 33.06 0.0076 11 Jordan Gross Panthers 3 15 414 25.88 0.0077 12 Chris Samuels Redskins 3 12 510 31.88 0.0078 13 Branden Albert Cheifs 4.5 15 541 33.81 0.0089 14 Joe Thomas Browns 4.5 16 488 30.50 0.0092 15 Walter Jones Seahawks 3.5 12 474 29.63 0.0098 16 Mike Gandy Cardinals 6.25 16 630 39.38 0.0099 17 Todd Weiner Falcons 3 11 434 27.13 0.0101 18 Max Starks Steelers 4 11 506 31.63 0.0115 19 Bryant McKinnie Vikings 4 12 452 28.25 0.0118 20 David Diehl Giants 6.5 16 491 30.69 0.0132 21 Flozell Adams Cowboys 7.25 16 547 34.19 0.0133 22 Khalif Barnes Jags 7.5 16 537 33.56 0.0140 22 Matt Light Pats 7.5 16 534 33.38 0.0140 23 Chad Clifton Packers 7.5 15 541 33.81 0.0148 24 Donald Penn Bucs 8.5 16 562 35.13 0.0151 25 Levi Brown Bengals 5.5 11 513 32.06 0.0156 26 Joe Staley 49ers 8.5 16 509 31.81 0.0167 27 Jeff Backus Lions 9.25 16 509 31.81 0.0182 28 John St. Clair Bears 9.75 16 528 33.00 0.0185 29 Duane Brown Texans 11.5 16 555 34.69 0.0207 30 Kwame Harris Raiders 7.5 11 421 26.31 0.0259 31 Jason Peters Bills 11.5 13 479 29.94 0.0295 *Using average # of passes/game, not actual number of passes LT was in the game. No matter how you slice it Ryan Clady dominated as a pass blocker based on stats this season. No one is even close.
Just curious, how is the stat of "tackles allowed" quantified? Is it based on the guy that he's lined up against at the start of the play or is it based on who he actually ends up blocking on the play (for example something like a stunt where two guys on D end up switching places during the play)? And is a half sack given when a defender gets through a double team so both blockers are accountable, or is it when a guy on O lets through one of two defenders who share a sack on the QB? Or both? Another question - do they happen to keep this stat for RBs (picking up blitzes)?
That tells me that Woody and Faneca should have had a couple more holding penalties. Guessing they weren't fond of Burt Ferve.
