Looked up the draft for 83, about the afformentioned Marino pick... 1 (1) BLC John Elway QB Stanford 2 (2) LAM Eric Dickerson RB Southern Methodist 3 (3) SEA Curt Warner RB Penn State 4 (4) DEN Chris Hinton T Northwestern 5 (5) SDG Billy Ray Smith LB Arkansas 6 (6) CHI Jimbo Covert T Pittsburgh 7 (7) KAN Todd Blackledge QB Penn State 8 (8) PHI Michael Haddix RB Mississippi State 9 (9) HOO Bruce Matthews G USC 10 (10) NYG Terry Kinard DB Clemson 11 (11) GNB Tim Lewis DB Pittsburgh 12 (12) BUF Tony Hunter TE Notre Dame 13 (13) DET James Jones RB Florida 14 (14) BUF Jim Kelly QB Miami (FL) 15 (15) NWE Tony Eason QB Illinois 16 (16) ATL Mike Pitts DE Alabama 17 (17) SLC Leonard Smith DB McNeese State 18 (18) CHI Willie Gualt WR Tennessee 19 (19) MIN Joey Browner DB USC 20 (20) SDG Gary Anderson RB Arkansas 21 (21) PIT Gabriel Rivera DT Texas Tech 22 (22) SDG Gill Byrd DB San Jose State 23 (23) DAL Jim Jeffcoat DE Arizona State 24 (24) NYJ Ken O'Brien QB California-Davis 25 (25) CIN Dave Rimington C Nebraska 26 (26) OAK Don Mosebar T USC 27 (27) MIA Dan Marino QB Pittsburgh 28 (28) WAS Darrell Green DB Texas A&I
Once again, champ, you've mastered the obvious. It's a figure of speech, not worth arguing any further. If you still don't get it, too bad.
There you go. Every team but Miami and Washington passed on Marino, every team passed on Joe Montana and Tom Brady multiple times each. Every team can compile the same list of misses in the draft, we're no different. The best players don't always go first.
Some picks in the later rounds for the Jets included Johnny Hector and JoJo Townsell. So three solid picks in that draft.
Was "The Fumble" the same year we lost to Cleveland? Cleveland on Denver's one yard line and they fumbled it away late? Earnest Byner?
Alot of posters here are clearly older than me, which makes me feel much better about myself, so thanks guys! LOL! For me, 86, loss the the Browns, was the most devestating, particularly because that was the year I picked up the mantle from my dad and began to truly follow and love football and, obviously, become a Jets fan. I still haven't gotten over that loss, especially because I think they could have beaten Denver (fuck "The Drive"). 98 was the next big one for me because there isn't a doubt in my mind that was the year the Jets were destined to win the Super Bowl. Again, still haven't gotten over that one. After that, the draft of Blair Thomas. I remember sitting there in stunned disbelief. Then Doubg Fucking Brien. Cool thread, btw. We all may disagree on just about everything about our beloved Jets, but we can all commiserate (sp?) together about them.
No, that was the following year, 1987. The week after our game was "The Drive", when the young John Elway took Denver the length of the field at Cleveland to take them to the Super Bowl vs the Giants. The following year the AFC Championship game was a rematch but in Denver, that was the "fumble", Ernest Byner game.
Ok, wasn't sure. I remember Denver had their number a few years in a row. But I am getting off topic here...sorry.
Folks, You could write a small book with all the mishaps, mistakes, mispicks, misfortune, missed chances, miscomunications, misunderstandings, that have gone on in Jets history... Yet, I will tell you all one thing for sure, and this goes triple for the guys who have been waiting for more the 40 years.... When it comes......... It will be sweeter then sweet !!!!!! Just hope I can live long enough to see it!!!!!!! :grin:
every year since the 1968 season has dreadful memories as the jets fouled up either in the draft----picking hc-losing games this year to me was one of the worst ----leading the division by a game over new england didnt provide a lock -----but certainly expected us to beat sf and seattle giving us 11 wins AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I think the reason this year was so hard to take is that the team looked so damn good beating Tenn. Two big road wins, back to back, and then the wheels just fell off. It was like watching a completely different team.
Well I don't mean to state the obvious, but bad drafts and bad games are two different things. On drafts I would like to add Mike Haight to the list. I bad draft bad game tie in was that Chicago game where Blair Thomas fumbled and was never and I mean never the same after that, taking his first round pick right down the toilet. But for bad games standing alone, I would put the Mud Bowl in 82 first, as much because the loss was to the hated fish and their cheating. Point is well taken Washington that year would have been a very tough opponent in the SB, but that does not change the sting of losing to Miami, especially after the inspired win against Oakland that preceeded it, and don't forget this loss led directly to Walt Michaels's losing it with Jim Kensil, that got him fired, and Walt was the best coach the Jets had since with the exception of Parcells. It's all bad. Second is the Denver Champ game loss just because they were winning and that team was great. I agree they probably would have won the SB if they had made it. Third was Chad putting up three measly points in Pitt. I will never forget taking the knee on third down. Fourth I would say the playoff loss to Cleveland, but the five regular season losses before that had already taken the wind out of my sails, so it wasn't quite as bad as it could have been. Fifth has to be the Spike Game. Just a regular season game, but still... Next would be the Oakland loss in 02. It was the beginning of the unravelling of Chad as the Qb who could take the team to the next level. With hindsight I might even put the Seattle loss of a couple of weeks ago in there, it was that bad, but it's too fresh in my memory to get a handle on where it should ultimately be placed. It was imo the worst loss of the past season, though. I have another idea - Best Jet Loss Ever. Before saying how could a loss be good, let me make my nominee - Joe Walton's last game, a loss to the Eagles on a day as cold as today, if not colder. I seriously doubt Hess would have fired him except for that game when only maybe 20k fans showed up, but everyone who did was screaming Joe Must Go the whole game.
Walton's last game was a Saturday home game vs the Bills in 1989, a freezing, ugly day and a lopsided loss. I was there. Dick Steinberg had just been hired as GM and we knew he would be bringing in a new coach.
I put the Mud bowl #1. I always thought that team is the 2nd best Jet team. 2nd only because they didn't win it all. I never really expected to beat the Broncos so I never saw '98 as a collapse. It barely even makes the list for me. I rate this year as a much bigger disappointment than '98. I really think the analysis comes down to expectations. You expected to win in '98 and I expected to win this year. '86 was a huge disappointment going 0fer December starting a long run of 0fers. It also really put a nail in my hopes that the sack exchange would win it all due to so many injuries. Then the amazon.... The fake spike has to be on the list. That game was followed by 8 wins over the next 36 games. '99 was a big hit but less painful than the others because we pretty much knew the season was over early. Somehow those seasons are less painful than the ones where we have over a .700 winning percentage and go on to blow it. In '02 and '04 we didn't have nearly the talent other jets contenders have had, nor was the team playing in as good a fashion as the early 80s or '98 team had. Again, lowered expectations. As for the drafts, I agree that every team has made a number of questionable moves. However, I think we can list the "We want Sapp!" year. Picking a TE over an impact defensive player was and remains mind-boggling.
I'd pick the Broncos loss as being worse than the Seattle loss. By the time we got to Seattle we had already lost to SF and the fact that we weren't good enough to win in the playoffs was clear. Neither of which was individuall I'm not a fan of the best loss idea. Maybe we should do a "Rate the Jets Head Coaches" thread. Although if I hear the word "Walton" I reflexively scream "Joe must go!"
I watched the great Mud Bowl, a classic if there ever was one. Richard Todd, A.J. Duhe, oh man, what a game............ how about this one: Vernon Gholston over Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie (a need a the time, Gholston wasn't) and you could have had him simply by dealing down to the 10th pick like we did and you also could have gotten another 3rd round pick Who's to blame on that ? Was that Mangini, Tannie or both ? YIKES !!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember hearing awhile ago that the only reason Marino fell so far in the draft was because their was a rumor going around amongst the teams that he liked the nose candy a little to much. Anybody else ever hear this?
