This is a rule i've always wondered about but never asked... lets say brett ratliff throws a 20 yard pass to cotch..who laterals it to keller who runs it another 30 yards for a TD. how do the stats work? (who gets catch/yards/td..)..does it count as a fumble? i have no idea
Ratliff- 1 attempt, 1 completion, 50 yards passing, 1 touchdown pass Coles- 1 reception for 20 yards Keller- 0 receptions for 30 yards, 1 receiving touchdown ___ I haven't yet viewed all of the 2008 receiving numbers, but I know that there was only one player in 2007 who finished the season with 0 receptions but with receiving yardage. Rex Hadnot of the Dolphins caught 0 passes for minus 2 yards. In 2006, Chad Pennington had 0 receptions for 7 yards. He gained those yards on the final play of the Colts game. In 1960, Los Angeles quarterback Frank Ryan caught 0 passes for 32 yards and a touchdown. He finished his career with 0 receptions for 31 yards and one receiving touchdown.
^Thank you Other weird ones- In 1972 Giants defensive back Eldridge Small's kickoff return numbers- 1 kickoff return 100 yards long of 77 yards 0 touchdowns Michael Vick 2 career receptions 3 receiving yards long of 16 yards (came on a lateral in 2002) He lost 14 yards on a reception in 2005 and gained one yard on a reception in 2006. Brad Johnson's career receiving stats- 1 reception 1 yard long of 3 yards 1 touchdown
This figuring of stats never made sense to me. A lateral is still a pass, so it should get its own att/comp. And Ratliff should only get 20 yards passing since the 30 happened from the lateral pass and not from the first forward pass. But i guess that's why i don't work for the NFL
Everything I posted above is correct. My initial answer was good. About an hour after posting all that last night I went to pro-football-reference.com to look up a game and something I saw in the linescore didn't make sense to me. I then thought that perhaps the league changed the way they record such plays. Well, turns out p-f-r is wrong, which is not the first time. Check out the following real example. Final play from scrimmage of Saints-Jaguars game from December 21, 2003- 2-10-NO 25 06) (Shotgun) A.Brooks pass to D.Stallworth to JAX 33 for 42 yards. Lateral to M.Lewis to JAX 26 for 7 yards. Lateral to D.McAllister to JAX 21 for 5 yards. Lateral to J.Pathon for 21 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld. P-f-r shows this as a 21-yard TD pass to Jerome Pathon. (This threw me for a loop last night. I watched that play live. It most certainly was not a 21-yard TD pass and simply cannot be recorded as such.) The NFL officially scores this play as, "Pathon 21 lateral from McAllister on 75 pass from Brooks." By the way, John Carney's XP attempt was wide right. Jaguars 20, Saints 19. Game over. On the play, Aaron Brooks was 1 of 1 for 75 yards and a touchdown. Stallworth- 1 reception, 42 receiving yards Lewis- no reception, 7 receiving yards McAllister- no reception, 5 receiving yards Pathon- no reception, 21 receiving yards, 1 receiving touchdown If you look at those players' stat lines for the game, the odd one is Lewis'. 1 reception, 14 yards, 14.0 average, long of 7 ___ From October 19 of the same season- Denver at Minnesota end of 2nd quarter MIN- Williams 15 lateral from Moss on 59 pass from Culpepper Minnesota scored 28 points in that game. The other touchdowns came on a pass to Kelly Campbell, a run by Onterrio Smith, and an interception return by Lance Johnstone. Culpepper's line: 19 of 26 for 277 yards and 2 touchdowns ___ October 19, 1968 Dolphins 10 Chiefs 17 The gamebreaker was a 93-yard TD pass from Mike Livingston to Robert Holmes through Otis Taylor. Taylor travelled the first 79 yards. He pulled a muscle late in the run and just before he got tackled, he flipped the ball to Holmes who had been trailing Taylor down the field. For the season, Holmes is credited with 2 rushing touchdowns and 3 receiving touchdowns. He ran for a touchdown in Week 2 and then again in Week 13, I believe. The week before the Dolphins game, he caught a 33-yard touchdown pass after a botched field goal attempt. Tom Flores was the passer. The week after the Dolphins game, Holmes caught a 27-yard touchdown pass from Livingston. Holmes broke about five tackles on the play. In conclusion, the play in the Dolphins game is a pass play and Taylor and Holmes got credit for receiving yards. The 14 yards gained by Holmes do not go in a separate laterals category or miscellaneous category. They are receiving yards. ___ Another good one- Lenny Moore's 1957 kickoff return line 0 returns, 92 yards, - average, 1 touchdown
If that logic was followed then wouldn't every lateral toss from the QB also have to be considered a pass (a toss sweep for example)? That would mean the only way to run a play without it being considered a pass would be a direct handoff or direct snap.
Chad Pennington has 0 career receptions for 7 yards from this play: 08) (Shotgun) C.Pennington pass short middle to L.Washington to NYJ 40 for 8 yards [D.Freeney]. Lateral to B.Smith to NYJ 37 for -3 yards. Lateral to L.Coles to IND 44 for 19 yards. Lateral to C.Pennington to IND 37 for 7 yards. Lateral to J.McCareins to IND 35 for 2 yards. FUMBLES, recovered by NYJ-B.Smith at IND 33. B.Smith to IND 37 for -4 yards. FUMBLES, recovered by NYJ-L.Coles at IND 40. L.Coles to IND 27 for 13 yards. Lateral to N.Mangold to IND 27 for no gain. FUMBLES, RECOVERED by IND-J.David at IND 34. J.David to IND 39 for 5 yards (L.Washington). And here was week 17 this year: 07) NYJ #16 Smith in at QB. (Shotgun) 16-B.Smith pass short right to 29-L.Washington to NYJ 8 for 4 yards. Lateral to 87-L.Coles to NYJ 19 for 11 yards. Lateral to 16-B.Smith to NYJ 12 for -7 yards. Lateral to 24-D.Revis to NYJ 11 for -1 yards. Lateral to 31-A.Carroll to NYJ 24 for 13 yards. FUMBLES, RECOVERED by MIA-33-N.Jones at NYJ 22. 33-N.Jones to NYJ 22 for no gain (89-J.Cotchery). This one resulted in: Name - Rec - Yards - TD - Long A. Carroll 0 11 0 11 B. Favre 0 2 0 2 D. Revis 0 -1 0 -1 B. Smith 0 -7 0 -7 Kinda interesting.
i just checked the stats for the last game of the season...and revis didnt have any yards even though he was on the lateral play at the end
(linked to this thread in a Danny Woodhead thread and figured I'd update it) This was bumped because I wanted to note the four players from 2008 who finished the season with receiving yards without a reception. Those four players- Ahmad Carroll, Jets: 0 receptions, 11 receiving yards Brett Favre, Jets: 0 receptions, 2 receiving yards Darrelle Revis, Jets: 0 receptions, -1 receiving yard Samson Satele, Dolphins: 0 receptions, -3 receiving yards
