Love to here some opinions on this. I think a fair testament of any coaching regime is to judge which players excelled or improved under the watch of a coaching staff. Other then offensive line players who I believe have just improved because of experience in the league, I really feel that if we looked at many of our other players we would have to agree the players have taken steps back. Please add your thoughts Kerry Rhodes- flat last year, backwards this year. Johnathon Vilma- Potential Best Jet LB of all time, traded David Harris- absolute monster rookie year, step back this year. Calvin Pace- did not improve off numbers in Arizona, used out of position. Bryan Thomas- seems misused Lowery- I feel regressed his rookie year. Revis- just a beast, exemption to the rule. Pouha- no improvement Keller- pass routes and ways we used him became stale and his effectiveness decreased. Chris Baker- Milk Carton Candidate. Leon Washington- always improving but still an untapped talent. Brad Smith- need to decide if we are going to put this guy in more positions to succeed like a randel El or we must move on . Jericho Cochery- should be rounding into his prime, was better two years ago then now. if there are any players you feel development really benefitted from this past coaching regime, voice your opinion. Others who have gone backwards, list also.
Manginis bigges flaw IMO was the coordinators he chose for the Jets. That being said he definitely would have fired sutton and brought in Ryan, and who knows about Schott. IMO coordinators and position coaches are usually the most responsible for player development. Mangini was supposed to be allowed to learn on the job, he was not given that opp. The Jets will be very sorry when Mangini turns Cleveland into a perrennial winner and wins a SB over there. It will happen, I guarantee it!
no I am not joking, he put together a couple of years that if he continued on the pace he was on he would gone down as possibly our best linebacker. You must remember his career with Jets ended up being very short. I would however like you to name me two middle linebackers who had better years the Vilma did in like 04-05 or for that matter 4-5 better linebackers whoever played for the jets. I guarantee you cannot.
did he not regress throughout the course of the year? Go back to september and count the positive threads their were about Lowery and then please do the same thing in november. I like corrective criticism but I can certainly defend this statement and one about Vilma
I couldn't agree more on the first part of your post. I think Mangini should have brought more experience into his coaching staff. I think that was his biggest downfall. I am not sure if he will turn around the Browns. I guess it remains to be seen if he learned from his experiences in NY. If the rumour about Daboll going on to be his OC are true, i don't think he has. I've said this before, if i'm a first time HC, i'm going to assemble a wealth of NFL experience, while putting together my staff.I think that would go a long way in helping speed up the learning curve. Maybe because it's such a competitive business, a rookie HC may be hesitant to bring in guys who could potentially take his job, but i think you stand more of a chance to succeed, with an experienced staff , who may have gone through some of the things that can happen, as an NFL HC, that you may not know how to handle.
also please factor in, that the thread is to do with players regressing. Vilma was traded because he regressed. The comment refers to the first 2-3 years Vilma had in the league. Name the Linebackers who had better first 2-3 yrs
still waiting to here the 3 middle linebackers of all time- that had better beginning of career then Vilma, or top 5 linebackers inside or outside better then Vilma's first years.?
You're changing your argument with every post, which means you know it's weak. You said Vilma was potentially the best Jet LB of all time. Vilma isn't even a ghost of a comparison to Larry Grantham. In any of his years.
I am not changing my statement. I believe if Vilma had to be considered in the top 2-3 middle linebackers the Jets have had after his first 2-3 years then he had the potential to be one of, if not the best linebacker of all time. Additionally I seem to be older and have more years following this site then most on here, I go back to about 79-80 and know a bit about the history of the Jets before that. The fact you had to go back and pull a guy out from the early 70's supports my argument.
No, it doesn't, I picked the best LB in the history of the Jets, and Vilma isn't even close to being in his league. Vilma is a one-dimensional player, a system player. Here was your statement - "Potential Best Jet LB of all time, traded " - then you started qualifying it be telling me to name 3-5 LBs who had a better starting 2-3 years. That's retarded. Not that I'm surprised, after reading some of your posts.
So, wait, you judge a player, a rookie player nonetheless, by the number of positive and negative threads he gets on a message board?
did Lowery get better or worse during his rookie season? Simple Revis Improved each week last year, Lowery did not.
so you never felt Vilma had the potential to be a 5-7 time pro bowler and you could have commented 3 yrs ago he was one dimensional. Its fun to know you have such a stong opinion about my posts, you are out in left field calling them retarded. Additionally I listed atleast 12 players, I had opinions about and you are killing me about one of the 12, secondly the point of the post was player improvement. Did Vilma improve under the new CS
It's simple, but not how you think. Many players play well early and then are exposed when other teams have enough tape on them to exploit their weaknesses. Lowery is an intuitive player on the surface, back lacks the speed or moves (in his rookie season) to cover most starting wideouts. He didn't get worse. He just wasn't all that great to begin with. All they needed was to gameplan him. And they did.
You do know that we took Revis in the 1st round two years ago and that we picked up Lowery this past year in the 4th round, right? You do know the difference of talent and potential that comes with being classified in those rounds, don't you? What did you expect from Lowery? To get on the field and be the next Champ Bailey? He showed flashes of solid play at times and made ROOKIE mistakes (that a 4th round CB would probably make) in others. You sir, are failing at this.
you are reading to much into this, I just asked if he improved during the season. Yes other C Staffs gameplanned to exploit Lowery but did our CS do anything to help him improve or make him aware of what to expect?
I did not or do not expect Lowery to ever be as good as revis. The thread was about developing players, player improvement. Coaching Scheme, Coaching adjustments. Basically helping our players develop, Lowery regressed. I think bringing in Ty Law was part of this and this falls flat in the lap of the CS
