So Premature

Were any of the coaches you quoted 8 -3 and finish 9 - 7 and miss the playoffs? The team collapsed, the coaching staff collapsed, the playoff chase collapsed. We were embarrassed by our former QB in the last game of the season. Were were outcoached by inferior teams down the stretch. So keep the coach who was outcoached?

This team had talent. WE showed it early on in the season, really showed it in the middle of the season and faltered to the end.

I'm pretty sure Fisher was rebuilding after numerous veterans were replaced when he had those off seasons. But his teams came to play.

So Mr. Byrd, you wanted Mangini back for year 4? Please explain why.

 

This is a bad characterization of the 2006 Jets. They had Chad Pennington healthy for the first time in 3 years (2003, 2004 and 2005 all had been dominated by Chad injuries, he was healthy for 16 games in 2006.) They had a fairly easy schedule, the type that Chad can chow down on the way he did in Miami this season. They had something like 10 draft picks, meaning that 4 or 5 were likely to come in and help out a lot, boosting the potential rebound from a bad 2005. In fact Mangold, D'Brick, Washington, Brad Smith and Drew Coleman did make real contributions to the team.

The right way to characterize the 2006 Jets is as a team with modest talent, maybe 8-8 talent against a normal schedule, which got very lucky in terms of injuries - losing not a single starter to injury for more than a couple of games all year - and as a result bounced back from a terrible year the year before to be respectable in 2006.

In 2007 the injury luck continued but there were fewer contributions made by drafted players, because the Jets drafted a lot fewer players, and the overall talent level on the roster declined as the Jets made bad decisions with some of the veteran talent too.

In 2008 the injury luck was so-so, given that Favre clearly got hurt at some point, however the Jets compensated for the thin talent base by signing several really good free agents to come in and as a result they bounced back again.

Mangini really had very little to do with the Jet's overall record in the three years he was head coach. The record over that span basically was determined by how much talent the Jets had on the roster and how lucky they got with injuries. Modest talent and great injury luck turned into 10-6. Poor talent and great injury luck turned into 4-12. Decent talent and so-so injury luck turned into 9-7.

Mangini is going to go to Cleveland and his fate there is going to depend almost solely on how much talent the Browns actually have over the next few years. It's clear at this point that Mangini does not add much to the equation and definitely subtracts some in bad years. If Brady Quinn is a great QB Mangini will do well in Cleveland. If he's so-so, Mangini will be so-so. If he's bad Mangini will be bad.

 

The great thing about sports is we don't have to argue this to death, next season we will know for sure whether Mangini sucks by watching the Browns. Thats what people love about sports, issues get decisively settled on the playing field.

 

Everything contributes to a coach's success. Talent is not determinative, but it is important, but as critical is the organization, their understanding of where they want to go, the players they find, how they fit together, chemistry vs. talent (see Dallas this year.) I think Mangini did a lousy job coaching the team this year. Maybe he'll turn out to be a good or great coach one day, but I don't think it was happening here. The bigger issue is that this is an organization lacking direction, not sure what it wants the team to be, how it will get there. I've been a fan since the Titans days and never lose hope. Undoubtedly, like all the other suckers, I'll become excited about the new coach, but, in my rational moments, I really can't see how they get to the Super Bowl with the organization constituted as it is.

 

I am sure the bad out weighs the good in coaches who had 3 years and were fired.

 

Not even close. Namath never played when he was with the Rams. He sat on the bench.

 

This is absolute stupidity on Cleveland's part. Mangini should've either taken a year off, or tried to get a job as a coordinator for a year or two; sit back and learn; have time to reflect on the changes he would need to make both professionally and personally before taking another HC job.

Let alone one 9 days after getting shit canned.

The Browns and Randy Lerner have shown their fans that they are still not committed to a true future. Good riddance.

 

You have to be kidding... Mangini took over a talented squad that went 4-12 the prior year due to extensive injuries to most starters. Now he has helped rebuild this team, but not before he helped by gutting our OL, which explains the 4-12 season a year after a playoff run. I believe the guy will be good, but the whole thing hasn't been strawberries and rainbows.

 

That's more nonsense. The team was in the playoffs the year before Mangini arrived. The fact that Edwards was dreaming about KC and not paying any attention to the Jets was why the record was so bad. Add to that the easiest schedule in the NFL, by far, and Mangini basically did nothing but stand on the sidelines. The same as he did for the following 2 years too.

 

I consider that the year he arrived.

 

It wasn't so much talented as the schedule was so pathetically easy. The same as this year's was compared to next year. Let's see what this team does then. That is why Mangini was fired. 7 all pros, a HOF QB (don't start) and one of the easiest schedules around.

 

We probably think that because the core of that team had made the playoffs, oh, about 3 times while Edwards was coaching it. Unless you think that Herm was the difference maker in a poor roster making the playoffs, which is equally asinine as the team not being talented. Everyone expected that 4-12 team to do much more, except that injuries plagued it from the very start. So Mangini inherited a talented a team... not an elite team, but it certainly had some talent on it.

 

Herm had different Coordinators... I truly think if we had a more aggressive DC the defense would have impacted our last five games to the point where we would have made the playoffs.

please correct me, but I think the biggest play our defense made the last five games was the forced fumble in Buffalo.

 

Because you just became a fan 5 minutes ago, I have to go back and dig up names and statistics on what is relatively a well known fact? Hahah... the reward of lifting you out of the delusion of thinking that roster was devoid of talent is not nearly worth the effort. Like I said, 3 playoff runs, it was either Herm's superior coaching skills, or we had a decent, talented roster. You can't act like Mangini built this team from the ground up because he didn't.

 

That's my whole point in a nutshell. Jeff Fisher is a coach who takes the talent he has and makes more out of it than you'd think was there just looking at it on paper. That's the definition of a good coach.

Mangini basically performs based on the talent and circumstances and very little if anything above that, sometimes less. That's why he's a mediocre coach. Jeff Fisher would have won 12 games with the talent and luck that Mangini had this year. Of course he doesn't need Brett Favre to win that many games, he managed just fine with Kerry Collins (12 TD's, 167 yds a game, 80 rating).

Fisher is not immune to a serious injury run destroying the team, but then again no NFL coach is. But when he has any level of reasonable talent and luck the Titans take off and soar. He's won 12+ game 4 times now with a team that has never been the most talented in the AFC, or even really close to that.

 

I wanted him back for 2 simple reasons...

#1 He had 2 winning seasons out of 3. Most franchises would celebrate a coach that accomplished such a feat. It seems like many fans are disillusioned of what the Jets actually are. This franchise isn't an elite franchise that has had success year in and year out. The front office shouldn't of felt they had the liberty to can a winning coach.

#2 Brett Favre's terrible play is the reason for the late season collapse. Everyone can say Mangini got out coached week after week. Obviously I disagree. I saw a team that was poised to win, but couldn't overcome mistake after mistake of their most important player at the teams most important position. I believe winning in the NFL is very hard. Many game are decided by just a few plays. If Favre plays just decent the final 5 games the Jets finish 11-5 and we're talking about an exciting Jets v Steelers playoff rematch.

Bottom line here is why fire a successful coach for a coordinator who has no NFL head coaching experience? Thats a gamble a franchise like the Jets can't afford to make. Now we start over and the fans pay the price. Its very disappointing. I really felt like Mangini was going to hit his stride and the Jets would move into the category of the franchises that get it.

Side note this same thing happened with my fav bball team the Sacramento Kings. They had a solid winning coach (Rick Adelman) and they let him go. They have had 3 coaches in I think 4 years and the team is pure crap. Adelman has moved on and is a winner again.