I'm not trying to start trouble here, I'm actually just trying to believe in Cowher. We've seen Holmgren and Gruden go to teams and look mediocre after seemingly being on top of the world. Nobody here would be excited if the Jets hired one of them. What makes you guys confident Cowher will come in here and be consistently successful? I'm not talking 10-6/9-7 like Holmgren/Gruden, but actually coach us to an elite level for years?
Holmgren took the Seahawks to the Super Bowl and Gruden won a Super Bowl with the Bucs. I'd take that.
Holmgren took the seahawks to the superbowl Gruden won the superbowl I want my fucking team in the superbowl!
I remember Cowher's conservativeness costing the Steelers 3 home title games, and also he was ridiculously conservative vs. the Jets in the Doug Brien game. Had Brien not missed those two kicks, Cowher would have lost to a 10-6 Jets team in the 2nd round.
also - Out of the 14 head coaches in jets history, 10 of them have been 1st time coaches. 2 others were unsuccessful former head coaches. The other two were successful head coaches (parcells and ewbank) and look where they got us.
It's already been said about Gruden and Holmgren, another difference is those guys didn't take any time off between switching teams. Cowher has had 2 seasons to recharge the batteries and NY is the ideal situation for him. Plus I don't really know if he'd be the GM as well......
Wow, that's really cool. Our worst head coach ever had head coaching experience with the Eagles, and even made the playoffs with them too! Wonder what it would have been like had we hired a rookie head coach that year instead of Kotite.
For 7 years I've been reading this board go crazy at the Conservativeness of Herm and Mangini. I don't think you all will like Cowher's play calling and game planning.
Holmgren did everything the Seahawks hired him to do except win the Super Bowl. People forget how stuck the Seahawks were when he came to town. they hadn't been able to get off .500 for the previous half decade and they hadn't made the playoffs in a decade and only 4 times in the 23 years of the franchise. He took them into the playoffs 6 times in the next 9 years and got to the Super Bowl. Truth be told I wouldn't be happy if that's what we got out of a Cowher signing, however I also think the Jets are in a better place right now than the Seahawks were in 1998. We're no strangers to the playoffs, we just keep having these godawful fall-down periods where we stumble around like a drunk at 4am. I'm guessing that bringing a world class coach in here to run the show stops those pretty quickly if we can keep him interested and around long enough to get some stability. Parcells would have had us in the Super Bowl by now if he didn't have the attention span of a gerbil with ADHD. And Cowher is a world class coach. He's not a living legend but he's one of the 3 or 4 guys on the planet now that you can hand an NFL franchise to with no doubts that you have improved the situation.
You never replied to my post about how you calculated that teams shouldn't trade up to draft CB's. Also, I've seen you post before and I know you can't stand when coaches are to conservative. Do you think you'll be able to tolerate Cowher?
Well, if he sticks to power running and pressure defense like his teams were known for I'd be happy. We have a team built for power running that throws the ball 35 times a game for some stupid friggen reason.
I know, man. Cowher really held back the greatness that was Neil ODonnel and Kordell Stewart. Those Pittsburgh teams were clearly better than the Denver Broncos (who happened to repeat as Super bowl champs -- must have been a fluke their beating the Steelers), and the Pats (again, repeat SB champs that must have been a fluke, it isn't possible they were just better than the Steelers regardless of where they played).
That was an identity Cowher wanted to have. Go to Steelers message boards. Cowher liked having Kordell and O'Donnell because he believes in the power running game. We actually have the personnel to make that work next year, but we won't go very far unless we pass the ball. I'm sure his shortcomings with passing the ball had something to do with his teams collapsing in the playoffs. Do you think it's a coincedence that the conservative coaches fail in the playoffs? Marty, Cowher, Herm. Dungy did win one also, but it's hard to be conservative when you've got Peyton Manning.
