Ok I just got this out of an article in the Daily News now this guy dosent even have a Clue and he is a Jets reporter.. Who will be the Jets' starting QB in 2009 if Brett leaves ? Here are the possibilities: Current Jets: Kellen Clemens did so poorly when he took over for Pennington as the starter during the 2007 season that he didn't even go into camp this summer as the incumbent. Before the Favre trade on Aug. 6, Pennington was easily beating out Clemens. And then after the trade was made, No. 3 Brett Ratliff outplayed Clemens in the preseason. Maybe Ratliff can be Matt Cassel. Free Agents: Bill Belichick is too smart to just let Cassel walk away as a free agent and get nothing in return. Cassel would be the hottest unrestricted free agent, but I think Belichick will use $14.6 million in cap space (still leaving the Pats $6 million under at the start of free agency) and put the franchise tag on Cassel. Then he will try to do a sign-and-trade. Cassel will find a team willing to pay him what he wants and Belichick will then work out a trade to get a first-round pick. The NFL confirmed last week that such a move is completely within the rules. Belichick may also find a way to keep Cassel as insurance in case Tom Brady, who had knee surgery and subsequent problems with an infection, is not ready for the start of the season. Anybody who thinks Belichick will allow Cassel to leave as an unrestricted free agent and sign with the Jets has underestimated his hatred for the Jets. Besides, after investing four years in Cassel, who's on the verge of throwing for 4,000 yards, it would be bad business to just let him leave. Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner each won division titles. But Collins is 36 and Warner is 37 and do the Jets want to get involved with another aging QB? The rest of the QB free agent list is a who's who of who you don't want. Guys like Rex Grossman. How about Michael Vick, due to get released from prison next July? Never going to happen, but Woody Johnson would really be in the doghouse if he ever tried to pull that off. Besides, Vick could be looking at a one-year suspension from Roger Goodell when he gets out of the slammer.
If All We Had Were Resumes... This sounds like you don't want to take any more risks because you've just burned those fingers too many times...? This is the Fantasy Football disease that's infecting fandom these days. To play the game of football it is necessry to develop football players. Somebody had to give Cotchery a chance to play. Somebody has to give Clowney a chance to play. Somebody had to give Cassel a chance to play. How much would you have paid Cassel if he had become a free agent this year and Brady had never been hurt, HUH? Just because Derrick Ward was able to stay on the NYJ practice squad didn't tell anybody that he would gain 215 yards last Sunday night when his main guy, No. 27 was ailing. Somebody had to teach Tiki Barber how to QUIT FUMBLING ASSHOLE, just like somebody is going to have to get it through ALL DAY's head as well. Of course, all this stuff happens magically in the dead of night, and ESPN scoops the story out and NOW WE KNOW WHO TO PICK AND RELY UPON. Coaching develops players. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes a lot of time. When the light dawns, it is a visceral thing, not easily measurable on the clock. Sometimes it happens so fast you don't hardly notice. Sometimes it feels like it will never come (read Gholston / M. Williams, et al). Developing players -- David Carr went 8 for 11 with 1 TD last night and did very well. Forget about Fantasy Football. The real thing is pretty messy. Just look at Chad.
The OP premise that we would have been a smash-mouth football team is nonsense. Firstly, our running game success was due in large part to the threat of the pass. Secondly, you cannot win games running the ball when your defense is like swiss cheese! Come on dude! We never won a game when we scored less than 26 points!! How many games would we have won had we gone smash-mouth offense? I really don't know what the hell happened with BF but he's mister HOF to me and deserves that respect. We're lucky we had the opportunity with him and maybe we'll have another one. If he wants to play again next year, I'm willing to go with him.
Well When we got Farve I didn't know what to think as I have stated I didn't have High expectations but I live in Las Vegas Now and the day we got Farve the preseason odds of winning the Super Bowl droped from 150-1 all the way to 4-1 so I guess the bookies have respect for him
You are delusional. We are lucky to have had the opportunity to have him??? Did you watch the last 5 games? Did you see him completely outplayed by the QB the Jets cut to bring him in??? What planet are you from? As for the threat of the pass - there was no threat of the pass this year. Favre scared no one. The Jets did not even have an intermediate passing game, let alone a deep passing game. The Jets YPA was among the lowest in the NFL. Besides having more dinks and dunks than any Pennington by far, the great Favre led the league in picks and in picks returned for TDs. What did he add besides jersey sales????
I have a similar story. The Jets were playing a team of Terrorists, Child Molesters and Internet email spammers. Bernard Madoff was the coach. I was mad at Favre...so I rooted for Madoffs team. Was that wrong?
You are a hypocrite. On the one hand you state that Jet fans shouldn't complain about having to watch a 9-7 team and that 9-7 again next year with Favre would be ok. On the other hand, you defend the Favre move by saying that cutting Pennington was ok because he won't win the SB. Which is it? Are we looking for excitment or championships? With you, 9-7 with Favre is acceptable, but 10-6 and playoffs with Pennington is not. I want a team that has the chance to win every year - not one with a puncher's chance for one season. Favre doesn't give the Jets either, by the way. He is done - put a fork in him. If you love him so much, go see him inducted in Canton in 5 years. As for the Jets, it is time to find a coach and a QB that will be here for 5-10 years. That is why I won't waste my money on my tickets next year with Favre here again. It will be a waste. It gives the Jets no chance for a title and no chance to develop the team. That is my point. I'm not giving up on the Jets - I'll always be a fan. I will not drop $4,000 of my money to watch the crap I saw this year with a team that had more talent than any Jet team in years but a QB who couldn't just avoid the turnover. Turnovers are everything in the NFL and the Jets had king pick driving the bus and it was sickening to see this team lose to 4 inferior teams down the stretch because the QB couldn't get the team in the end zone or avoid the turnover.
I am not a Jets fan? Can you read my name please? "Mudbowl Survivor". I was 8 years old when i watched that game in January 1983. Jets lost 14-0 in a monsoon in Miami. Were you even born? I am a diehard Jet fan but they lost me this year because Favre and his tired act is not what I stand for as a fan, and Chad is a class act. He is the anti-Favre. The Jets sold their souls to sell PSLs and #4 jerseys and dumped on a player who got the Jets to the playoffs with horrid teams(see 2006). ANd now the same guy who threw this team directly out of the playoffs is the one who basically got rid of Mangini. I do not recall the coach making any of those 22 picks (9 in the last 4 games). And from the quotes from the Jets players, it seems like they agreed with Mangini...seemed like coach was getting orders from upstairs to cater to this egomaniac Favre. Well they got what they deserve, like i said.
Unfortunately, I'm not at liberty to divulge what planet I am from. Glad you mentioned the lack of the intermediate pass. Also, know I am probably the most frequent poster of the lousy YPA average, and especially the 31 pass for 137 yard game. I do not attribute either of these stats to Favre's inabililty. I attribute them to an ineffective gameplane and lack of offensive adjustment. Hence, the reason I have been very vocal in my desire to see Shotty fired. I don't know exactly what happened to BF at the end of the season. If he hid an injury to keep his streak alive, knowing that he would be ineffective, I would lose some respect for him--but there is no proof of this. To me, there is proof of a systematic wide problem affected by the CS and thus I attribute all negative outcomes to this.
When you mention that the Jets never won a game when we scored less than 26 points you are forgetting to mention that the Jets lost four games (including the last two this season) when the "D" held the opponents to less than 20 points and the offense couldn't muster enough to win. In my mind the offense while good for a some games wasn't consistent enough. And a lot of it had to do with the turnovers. It's been Favre's MO for his career and if you're not getting enough of the big plays to make up for them then it's not worth it - especially if you're bringing on a new HC. To me it doesn't make sense to have a new coach with a 40 year old QB.
Excellent post - I feel your pain. Hopefully the Jets get off on the right foot next year and kick Favre to the curb. If not, I support you selling your tickets - I'd do the same. Hopefully, they get their shit together sooner rather than later.
"I really don't know what the hell happened with BF but he's mister HOF to me and deserves that respect." Actually, you earn the respect of your teammates and fans, regardless of what you did anywhere else you played. By running off the field after yesterday's game faster than he ran all year, Favre showed he lacks class and sportsmanship. Just look at his pregame pep talk ("I love you"). Yeah, he "loves" his teammates so much that he couldn't hang around for a few minutes after the game and show some respect to his teammates and the opponents, especially Chad. Congratulations Chad on making Favre and the entire Jets organization look like the complete shmucks that they are. And you did it with class, humility and dignity, something which all the money in the world can't buy. Let the Mississippi redneck get the Pro Bowl nod and try and pretend he had a better season than you.
Not necessarily true. All that says is no one, not even Vegas, would be stupid enough to carry 8-9 digit liabilities even on the longshot props. They didn't adjust that line before the action, they adjusted it piece by piece because all the suckers were hammering it 24/7
Well I don't know about that the Night before the signing the odds were 150-1 and then the Next morning it was off the board and about 9:45 right after the press conf it was put back at 4-1 there really wasen't that much time for us suckers to be hammering it ...
Antoni has 0 vcash and he's the resident expert at vegas?! :beer: Thats a good point you make about BF, Joe. I'll have to think about that. It is pretty pathetic and until W's presser today, I thought there would be no way he would ever come back to a situation that made him say those things, and run off the field. Perhaps its best if he wants to retire or go elsewhere, which is what I originally thought would happen. If he really wants to play for the Jets though, I'd have him.
I was thinking the same thing as Favre ran off the field without shaking a hand. I really really really don't want this guy back..
What hotel was this at? I was following this line with curiosity as I do with other interesting props and all I saw was them adjusting the line constantly. Maybe some took it down and just used the completely shaded 4:1 in the morning, I don't know. There may have been value there at the 150 , but the 4:1 was just a joke. To put things into perspective the Giants right now are 2.5:1 dogs and they're already in with a bye week and weren't in a division with Tom Brady at the time and 16 games left to play. Favre made Vegas alot of money this year. Quite similar to the Tiger Woods grand slam from a while back where it went from 100:1 to 2:1 and they STILL had 7 digit liabilities cause the suckers would take it no matter what.
Yeah, I took my vCash betting seriously as you can see doing smart things as betting half my roll for 50 units on some games. Starting with 2k vCash you'd have to bet 20 per game to beat it in the long run and in the limited games we can bet on it's no where near as fun as donking it away. But that clearly means I don't understand how and why prop lines move and the unmatched football skill of Favre(and not the betting public) was responsible for th emove.
