He won two, including one on the road, which hasn't been done by a Jet QB since 1982. Oh, and won't the Jets back in this year??????? They need someone to lose to get in.
Pennington has a more solid team around him from the coaching on down. Miami stinks of Bill Parcells. That's the reason for their success. That and a good D and a good running game.
Thats what kills me. If the Jets win a game its because of really good defense and running. If the Dolphins win a game its because of Pennington's great play. They had a stretch where the defense didn't allow a touchdown for 3 games and the offense scored like 15 points a game and this board was still going nuts about how Pennington is winning them games. We beat the Chiefs, "Favre sucks, we should have lost that game, how can you ALMOST lose to a team like the Chiefs. Dolphins BARELY beat the Rams (16-12), the Raiders 17-15, the Sehawks 21-19, etc. and they're considered great. They've won ONE more game than us and if we beat them this week they've won the same games as us and we beat them twice. Definite double standard.
Absolutely they will back in if they get in. There's nothing great about any team relying on other teams to get in. I've never argued that fact. And so what no other Jet QB did it. That because the Jets have sucked forever. I guess I see where you're coming from. When you have 0 on a scale of 10, a 5 becomes the greatest thing since whitebread.
Yet you dont seem to understand parcels philosophy. Miami gets the lead and then tries to kill the clock. And it works.
Ball control. When they fall behind Chads leads them back. When they have the lead they run a safe offense.
So Chad is the OC now? Or at least getting credit for the workings of a guy that's not even on the field? That's weak.
No he gets credit for completing passes in crunch time and making good decisions. Calling the right audibles and reading the defense correctly. As opposed to missing throws badly in crunch time and making poor decisions. Calling the wrong audibles and not reading the defense correctly. Does the OC take the snap?
Alright you're contradicting yourself now. Bill Parcells plays ball control, but Pennington has to audible to accomplish that? Give it a rest already. Pennington was never, is not currently, and never will be "great" as the title of this thread implies.
What in the world does BP have to do with calling aduibles? Every QB in the league is expected to read the defense pre-snap and decide if audibling into a differert play or formation would be more effective?
I was wondering the same thing, actually. Look, you pretty much said it without saying it. Pennington is "good" within that particular system. Still far from great.
I hope your not trying to compare Chad Pennington to Patrick Ewing (I am assuming your not but please tell me if you are). Patrick Ewing made it to the Finals and lost in game 7 to the Rockets. He is a HOF, one of the 50 greatest players ever to play the game of basketball, an 11 time all-start or something, part of the dream team, etc. So yeah Ewing deserves all that praise, he did win just about there else to win basketball - Pennington not even close to anything like that.
I'm using Ewing as an example of how extreme a fan base can be when you don't win a championship. There is almost nothing bad you can objectively say about Ewing except that the Knicks didn't with the title when we had him, yet people will scoff at him and say he never won anything.
What two times did they "back in"? In 2002 and 2006 they had to win the last two games to get in and they did. Both times they were 6-2 in the second half of the season. You can say 2004, but we knew during the last game we were in and Herm played the OT accordingly. Plus we went on the road and won in the playoffs, should have won twice if we had an NFL kicker. He won two playoff games. Nobody is saying have a parade, but what has any other QB done for Jet fans over the past 40 years? Richard Todd had two playoff wins over a span of two weeks, a big one from Vinny but still just one, and one from Pat Ryan, a career backup. That's it. So pardon us if we appreciate a guy who gave us some sustained hope that we haven't had in our lifetimes. And you know what? Chad went to a 1-15 team and is likely going back for his fourth trip to the playoffs.
So that makes him great? Testeverde's season was greater, IMO, than Chad's 2. At least it was more convincing. Bill Parcells' style of football, which is in fact in action on that team, can send Ray Lucas to a 9-7 season. Missing the playoffs of course, but Ray Lucas looked convincing for those few games. Only the first year Chad went to the play-offs was convincing. It looked more like football, than a big fat-ass catcher sliding into home. So does that make Ray Lucas great? For those few games, maybe. Call him whatever you want, but some people highly overrate this guy. Why not call Jeff Garcia great? He's taken more teams to the playoffs than Chad. And won.
These threads where the OP exaggerates the other side's POV are really a waste. Fusion 2006 posts a weak parody of a Chad Lover's post, and a couple of the subsequent posters can't even tell he's being sarcastic. It's been said, but, Dumb Thread. Shouldn't have been started. Pennington is what he is. He's avoided mistakes, worked hard with a fairly unremarkable group of linemen and receivers (plus, to be sure, some very talented running backs) and gotten the Dolphins to about five more wins than they would have without him. Like most Phins fans, I am grateful for what he's done. It doesn't mean i think he's the MVP (though he'll get some votes) or a Hall of Famer (he'd need ten years like this one just to be a candidate).
