First off, I hope everybody is finishing off a good holiday season. Christmas, or whatever you celebrate. Now, I know you guys are probably tired of all the Favre threads, I myself am getting there. This one though is one of a different nature. I've been thinking a lot today about what people have been saying about Favre. I think that we've really began to feed into the media frenzy that has developed around the Favre situation as an entirety. Now, maybe the gas tank isn't quite full. But seriously, is this anyway to treat a future Hall of Fame QB? Especially since he's our best QB in what, 35 years? Now you can make all the Favre vs. Pennington comparisons you want, but the truth is that Pennington was put into a system where he fits, with receivers that compliment him. I know you can say "It's not the coaching that forces passes to be under thrown straight into the hands of DB's." When in fact, the reality of it, is that it is. This is where Shotty needs to step in, evaluate the situation and make the adjustments that need to be made. If you know your QB doesn't have the shoulder for the deep ball anymore, then it's as simple as not calling deep passes that attack the sidelines. I truly believe Favre's best game was against Tennessee when he picked apart one of the best defenses in the league with the quick slant and hook routes that Shotty employed. What I'm really trying to get at, is that we're turning into Green Bay #2. We're really coming down hard, on a guy who deserves a lot more respect than he's getting. We all ridiculed GB for what they did to Favre. At some point or another the conversation came up "Were they crazy?! Getting rid of this guy!". Now I know that New York as a fan base is quick to lay on the boos, and run our players into the ground if they dissapoint us, but the line needs to be drawn somewhere. The man is a legend. There are three things that are undeniable. 1) The man is a future Hall of Famer. 2) He'd our best QB since Namath. (You can argue that all day if you want.) 3) It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the coaching staff to adjust to the ABILITY of the quarterback. Before I finish this up, I just wanna say that from here on out Favre will receive nothing but the respect he deserves from me. He may be a 39 year old quarterback, but he's OUR 39 year old quarterback. :jets:
900000000000000000000000000000000000000000% agree with what you just said. People that are bashing Favre because they still want Penny should be ashamed! Us Favre believers gave that Man a chance and he couldn't get it done, not even in 04! Favre has alrdy doubled our winnings in 1 year! Be happy because he will return next season and only lead us further into the playoffs and thats a fact. Happy New York Jets New Year!
It's nice to see a Favre thread that isn't either: A) Comparing his talent to what Chad has in his little finger. B) Spending an entire thread bashing on him. I came here because of Favre and i'll stay after he's gone. Because even though i had been a diehard fan of green bay since '92 i just couldn't deal with how the retirement/trade thing went down. And you guys have shown me that even though you deal with pain that could only be mimicked by a dentist doing a root canal without anasthetic, and sometimes your about the gloomiest sons a beeches on the planet, your about as hardcore and devoted fans as they come. And i like that! Now, since i prefer anasthetic when i get my teeth worked on, i guess i'll have to take option number 2 and stay a jets fan so i can get my full dose of pain every year. I don't think Favre has played great this year and i'm not about to speculate why. He's had some great throws and been fun to watch. I support him because he's a Jet and I thought we were supposed to support the whole team. There's been problems this year with coaching, defense, dropped passes etc... But most of the blame seems to fall on Favre. I guess i would feel the same way if i were still a green bay fan and we imported an old fart from another team to play for us and things weren't going good. I think my attitude would be "The problem can't be my packers, must be that old dude on the field we brought in from (insert team here)" Either way, it's been great being a jet fan, being on TGG, and watching the jets this year. Now, hopefully we get a win, and a NE or Ravens loss this weekend and go make up for the last four weeks. Cheers guys. Kudos Kaiser, good post.
By not putting him in a position to throw the deep ball. It's really that simple. There have been offenses that thrived on the short pass. We did against Tennessee in Week 12. I know it worked well with the way there Defense played. We have a RB who can move the rock, and a QB who is more than capable of delivering passes for 4-5 yards. See, the thing is. I think Shotty feels pressure that he's telling a proven quarterback, a future Hall of Famer at that; how to run the Offense. There's always going to be an awkwardness there until Shotty realizes that Favre could care less about throwing Deep Passes than he does looking like a wash up.
Sorry but I've seen Favre miss way too many wide open receivers and throw into double coverage. The Seattle game was just more to what's been the story this year. Re-watch the game and on every pik there was a guy open underneath. and BTW, he's a HOF QB because what's he's done in the PAST. He is not that QB anymore. I appreciated Penny but I didn't appreciate the slap in the face from the FO and the fans. It's all about this year, not what's been done in the past and you can argue who was the best QB in the past all you want but this year is the one that counts and this year it's NOT Favre. I'm not going to put 100% on Favre either cause and realistic person realizes it's not all his fault. Yes the play mgmt. has been atrocious, yes it's a new system. All that is part of the TEAM.
I would like to see him have some time to throw. I think he's forcing passes because the pocket is collapsing too fast. We get about 0 pressure on the opposing QB. I think last week against wallace the sportscaster said something to the effect of "he has enough time to eat a sandwich back there". I'd like to see Favre have time to eat 2 five dollar footlongs so he's not forcing something. Ever notice when he instantly gets forced out of the pocket is when he looks the most uncomfortable and usually throws his worst passes. Also, and i know i'll catch some slack here, but when he's not underthrowing the recievers they need to CATCH THE DAMN BALL! Last week Franks and Coles dropped two that could have changed the game. I think it was Junc who complained that he threw it into double coverage. Well yeah, he did. It happens all the time in the NFL. That's what WR's get paid millions and millions of dollars for. To catch that ball like they own it. I've seen andre rison, antonia freeman, greg jennings etc.. catch that exact same pass over and over. I'm not in any way comparing GB recievers to Jet recievers i'm just saying you gotta catch the ball. And honestly i've seen a couple of deep passes that were catchable, but for some reason coles/cotchery just kinda started jogging halfway through their route. Those passes were called overthrown, i call it not catching them because it didn't hit you in the numbers. Don't get me wrong i like coles and cotchery alot, well mostly cotchery. But man, you gotta grab that ball like it owes you money. If recievers were paid per ball caught and not a regular salary, i bet you'd start seeing a whole lot more catches on this team.
Oh, and one more thing. Stick to passes over the middle. Sideline passes have worked for Favre about 0 times this year. But he's marched it up the field really good with quick passes over the middle. What is it about this team that they always abandon what works as soon as it works, and plug away constantly as something that hasn't worked all year. Favre - quick passes over the middle TJ - lots and lots of carries Leon Washington - gets the ball more Blitz all damn day if you have to, to get pressure on the QB O-line - don't let the pocket collapse instantly Play like you don't get paid if you don't win (wow poor detroit) Put in Clowney There, problems fixed. Anyone agree with this?
Been selected, even if it seems undeservidly, to the probowl this season, and last season as well, and just finished #2 in the MVP voting in his final season as a packer, where it took a 50TD performance by Brady to really outshine what Favre meant to GB last season. Yeah, he's a HOF QB because of what he did in hte past. Sure, last season is in the past. Heck, everthing in this season is in the past right now. Meh. Silly arguement coming off two straight probowl selections, and a 2nd in MVP voting as recent as one season ago. No doubt in my mind he would be talked about for MVP if he would of been allowed to return to GB as the starter. His stats would be better. Constantly underthrowing WR's seems to me to be a chemistry issue. He certaintly didn't underthrow the 4th and 2 to end the game last week. Perfect pass, Coles just couldn't hold on: Which seem to epitomize the entire season in a nut shell. You are right, Favre wont make the pass down field consistently on target, and will underthrow it. It doesn't help though, that when he DOES make that pass, that the WR's seem to screw it up. Baker in OT against the raiders stumbling on a ball that look dead on to end the game. Coles last week on 4th and 2 for a more recent sample. The problem I see with his deep ball right now is more or less he is floating it a lot. Throwing it up for grabs, instead of throwing it on a rope like he was doing last season. Of course, last season, the wr's had seperation on nearly every single deep pass he threw, and this year the DB's are stride for stride with them. Anyways, that is neither here nor there. Obviously, I am here because of Favre, and I will always respect them. He hasn't had a great year, but he is going in the hall of fame for as much as he has done recently as he did in the 90's.
1 TD and 6 INT's in the last 4 games. Which has taken out of the playoff hunt. Yes a lot of the problems are with the coaches. But Favre SUCKS! Sucks so much he cant even lead us to victories over sub par teams. Making us, after spending ALL that money on other players even less than sub par looking. He has to go. He should have never came. PSL stunt.
Last I checked, the Jets are very much alive in the playoff hunt. One loss by NE, your in. A loss by The Ravens, and a win by the Jets, your in. Thats a pretty cut and dry scenario, and clearly shows there is life. And, Cassell is about due for a subpar game, and the bills have confidence beating Denver last week, and will want to end with a solid win ove ra division opponent to end the year. So, instead of all the doom and gloom: The season isn't over yet. You don't think the packers would trade anything to be in this position right now? Sure as hell feels better then being 5 - 10 with realistic thoughts that we could possibly, at home, hand the lions their only win in 2008.
Anyone who makes the playoffs deserve it. I do recall hearing alot of ELI AND COUGHLIN MUST GO bs by giant fans....Now Look at them!
Hold on a second. We brought Favre here to pass the ball DEEP. If we wanted to stick with the short passes we would have kept Chad on the roster. Favre has failed to do what he was brought here to do, and you can't argue against that.
Three real undeniable truths: 1) The man no longer plays like a Hall of Famer. 2) At this stage of his career he is far from the Jets best QB since Namth. Todd, O'Brien, Testaverde, and Pennington have all played better as Jets. 3) If you don't have arm strength or accuracy no gameplan going to consistently work well. Yes, he played well against the Titans, and every team then prepared for that type of play rendering it useless. Sorry, but your three statements could not be more from the truth. Happy holidays.
Wrong, we brought Favre in to win games. He spent his entire career in the west coast offense that is primarily short passes.
And Miami... and at NE... and against the Cardinals. Stop acting like that one game was favre's only good game this season. And, as for stopping it: WHERE IS THE SLANT AND GO? There is a clear ineptness in the play calling that has been brought up time and time again. One thing GB was able to do last season was call a good game with Favre, something that the packer coaches are strugling to do with AR. Jets are struggeling to do so with Favre. Leading AFC Rusher: RUN AND THEN PA out of the I formation and call a dump off, underneath, and one deep route that does more then just streak down the field. This whole single back PA, and Shotgun PA, is jsut silly. Come out and pound the rock. You don't have the WR's to run that spread offense that GB did. Last i checked, GB goes 5 Deep at WR, not even counting the TE. ANyways, this has all been well documented. Favre has not played well: But the coaching staff has done nothing to help him either.
I'm not sure if you're being serious or what. Sure he's been known to throw the long ball too, but the bread and butter of the WCO is the short pass. One of the reasons he was so good at it was in fact his superior arm strength because he could fit the ball into tight windows. People often confuse where Penny's arm strength issues were. It was never the deep ball, he could always throw that just fine, he just rarely took chances downfield unless someone was wide open. It's fitting the ball into tight spots where he struggles. That's one reason why he has trouble with top defenses with a lot of speed.
