Can anyone make a legit case for not firing mangini?

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  1. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    I ask this question because i don't know if im to biased. I have not like Mangini since the start of last season. Each week even after big wins i find reasons that he makes me sick after this historic collapse Im completely done with this guy.
    So im curious since all the analyst seem to think theirs a good chance he will return. My question is Why? What has he done? he won 10 games with a healthy chad Pennington combined with a soft schedule? So what, Herm did that 3 times, because hes not the oc or the dc. Even I knew bob Sutton needed to go after last year??? isn't that his responsibility to correct? so what am i missing? can anyone make a legit case for me enduring this idiot for another year?
     
  2. southwestjet

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    The only reason I see for keeping Mangini is that he has brought in some of "his" guys already, put in the 3-4 and Brett came a few weeks before the season.

    I say give him one more year. One more year to prove and THAT'S IT. If next year is more of the same, then it's time to blow it up and start over YET AGAIN. A vicious cycle this Jet's organization is.
     
  3. GBA

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    I think with how much the team has improved over last year, turning around and firing him wouldn't be the right call. He deserve another year to prove he's not totally inept.. and I think he tried to find a replacement for Sutton, didn't he?
     
  4. southjerseyjets

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    They did try to replace Sutton. Sutton will go, Brett will probably go..we took a shot with Brett.

    It is very hard to win making those coast to coast trips. We would be a couple of games better if our home away was reversed. I think we had a tough schedule in that regard and would like to see Mangini get one more year. With that being said, this week will tell a lot about the heart of this team and the entire coaching staff.
     
  5. chrisrex

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    Thats what we said last week before the Seahawks game. And before the 49ers game, and...
     
  6. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    I understand stability is a big problem with this organization.. I think hes that bad, he needs to go. This reminds me of Al Groh and the quit that team put on him(lost last 3 games) and I liked Groh, but Remember when he left, and all the players started speaking out about what a "dick" he was. lol I think your gonna find the same thing here.
    I don't buy the excuse that he tried to replace Sutton? that's unacceptable. as for favre I don't blame fatty . I never liked the idea, i thought it was bad, But i was so happy i was wrong when we were 8-3. lol but now we have a real problem, not only has the team quit on Mangini this year.. what the hell are we gonna do about a qb going fwd? its time for a complete change. I cant bare the thought of Mangini another year
     
  7. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    The only thing that works in Mangini's favor is the turnaround from 4-12 to 9-7 or 10-6; and two out of three winning seasons. But the talent on this team exceeds what we have accomplished this season and that cannot go unnoticed.
     
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    I don't think my expectation was to be better than 10-6, was yours?
     
  9. Jake

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    Again, our expectations were and should have been altered midway through the season. If we started the season 10-0 and finished 10-6 and missed the playoffs would you say 'whatever we improved' or 'this collapse is inexcusible and action must be taken'? It's basically the same scenario. We were in first place cruising towards a first round bye and now we will probably not make the playoffs due to the team's obvious poor playcalling and MAJOR lack of in-game adjustments. Who gets the blame?
     
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    It's actually easier than making a case on firing him...unless of course you're addressing a group of people who've already decided that it's best to fire him.

    :up:
     
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  11. Jake

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    Enlighten me. You don't think sufficient in-game adjustments and smarter play-calling would have us in the playoffs? We'd probably have a first round bye right now if some other HC who can adapt to the game itself while it's progressing was at the controls.

    I won't put the playcalling on Mangini. That's on that doofus Schottenheimer who I assume will be canned regardless of the HC situation... But Mangini said he's taking over D playcalls for the Seattle game. Not one sack vs 5 second string olineman is pathetic.

    Have you ever noticed throughout this season how the Jets come out blazing on the first drive of the game and then by the 2nd quarter can barely get a single first down? That's called making adjustments, other HCs do this during the games and shut us down. Mangini seems to NEVER make any adjustments. He is 'gameplan specific' or some bs.

    And I loved Mangini up until the Seattle game.
     
  12. southjerseyjets

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    No sacks but only 10 points and two or three turnovers, big improvement over the last few games, no?

    It was Favre not Mangini, he is the scapegoat, yet, can still win the division?
    how is that bad.
     
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    Firemangini Ed New Member

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    The best reason I can think of for not firing Mangini is that if we do Woody will just hire another Pats assistant.
     
  14. JetsLookingforDWare

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    I've tried. Fans would rather kick the guy and team while they're down, so now I'll only half ass try.

    See "sufficient in-game adjustments and smart play-calling" are disturbingly vague. Last Sunday people were bitching about how we only blitzed 3 blah blah blah, nobody talked about the fact that when we did blitz guys were picked up. Even if they did, they'd say thats the coaches fault again for the usual shit...playcalling/scheming/gameplanning/anything else that sounds football-y but can't be specifically talked about.

    ...This is why I hate talking about this stuff now. I'm gonna say that PLAYERS get sacks, not coaches. You're going to say that coaches are supposed to make sure players get sacks by doing everything else beforehand (call the play, design the play, teach the play). So I'll just say I think your conclusion requires a leap in logic that I'm not willing to make.
    Some BS is right, because "gameplan specific" is a word you just made up.

    Maybe the players should be able to do something besides what they practiced during the week. How much of a gameplan do you guys think they write out? Especially on D. You can't pre-plan every play...that doesn't make sense...and only people LOOKING to bash a coach would believe that their coach is that dumb to do that.

    Reasons not to fire him:

    1. Why would you give a coach 3 years to build a team...and then one year to play with that team?

    2. Why would he get 3 years to build it, get one year, AND the new guy gets an upgraded version of HIS team?

    3. The excuse making I've seen for the players while the coaches take the blame is just stupid.

    4. The Jets are going in the right direction. 4 games does not change that to me, though I realize this is through the faulty thought that the NFL/Super Bowl/world will go on after this year.

    5. He's a good coach. Few will agree because...well because short memories, a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately attitude, and vague ideas of what the path to success is supposed to look like all kind of mixed together. Big picture, he's been fine. Details come with experience...and it's not exactly like this guy isn't into details.

    6. Because the coaching candidates available this offseason are...who? One retired guy who may or may not want to come here, and who else?
     
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  15. Jake

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    Actually I've heard Mangini say the words gameplan specific in every post game presser this season.

    You make a good point. However, if there is no pressure and TEs and WRs are consistently open down the field whether we blitz or not means there is something fundamentally wrong with the team.

    It is pretty clear to me EM lacks the fire necessary to win. The punt after Feely's null and void 45 yd field goal was a terrible call. There have been many this season. Just like with Herm, the first move will be to change coordinators. Then there will be no excuses.
     
  16. Don

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    Again, he will be fired because the only other alternative is to give him an extension when this season is over. You don't let lame ducks coach your football team and an extension for this fool would send the wrong message to the people you are trying to pry PSL money from. If he is not then Johnson better just cancel the idea of PSLs or plan to see a lot of empty seats in that new stadium.
     
  17. maynardsmyhero-uk

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    All people is ask themselves is with next years schedule , a new qb,who would you want ...Cowher or Mangini.

    Its a no brainer
     
  18. bpjets

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    How about he SUCKS!!!!!
     
  19. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    It's his third year, what the fuck? He deserves some more time with the good he's done so far.
     
  20. hazmat

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    Yup, qb shits the bed for the last 5 weeks and everyone wants the coach fired cause he's a "fatty". Our fan base is a bigger joke then the team.
     

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