I think one has to look more in terms of what our offense allows a QB to do, than in terms of how that QB performs. As I said, our OL and receiving corps are just not suited to a guy with Chad's skill set. Show me a game where we consistently let Favre take 5-7 step drops without being harassed by a passrush, and I'll concede the point. But I can assure you that has not happened in one game this season.
I don't understand your knock on Chad. He was always successful at completing passes. He didn't always take 5-7 step drops and he would have been fine with the Jet offensive line this year, assuming the staff could have called a decent game.
Pennington would have found a way to win against the WC Teams we lost to. We probably lose to the Titans and Bills once and maybe the second NE game. I think our record would be pretty similiar. Favre did a lot of good in about 3 or 4 games we won, he did a lot of bad in 3 or 4 games we lost. Now how that would have worked out in our division who knows.
What exactly did Favre do that was so special against the Titans? He had a good game sure, 25/32 for 224yds with 2 TDs and 1 pick, but those aren't exactly the numbers that would be out of Chad's league.
Look at what he's had success doing this season- as he hadn't had success in recent seasons with us. When he's at his best is when he's dropping 5-7 steps, and dropping the ball in between the LBs and Ss. He also does a great job keeping his eyes down field, and then giving it to his backs in stride. Additionally, he's completed a fair number of passes long up the seam to his WRs. One last play he's done a lot of this year is throwing jump balls to his big WR, Camarillo. These are all slow developing plays. And he's been top-notch at executing them. Our OL just can't protect that long. Look at when we've had success. Quick slants, screens, 5-10 yard comeback routes, 5-10 yard outs, bubble screens. These are pretty much the polar opposite of what Miami has been successful at. And don't forget, Chad's bread and butter, the PA is almost non-existent in the Jets offense- another product of spotty passblocking. Additionally, we don't have a guy like Camarillo who can go up and snag those jump balls that Chad's thrown so well. When we've tried to go to the deep seam routes, or the intermediate crossing routes, more often than not, Favre's been flushed from the pocket, and the play's broken down. You have to look at a guy's skill set more closely than to just say, "Chad's accurate" or "Favre has a strong arm" You have to look at which plays the QB makes consistently, and which plays he's spotty on. You have to look at the strengths of everyone around him. There's a bigger picture than just Madden-style skills ratings
You have to watch the game. He makes a lot of throws into tight spots that Chad may not even attempt. The numbers aren't gaudy, but his play was great in that game. If the Lphins make the PO's the Titans will be one of those teams he struggles mightily against. I don't see him having much success against the Ravens or Steelers either.
we would be 6-9 if not worse right now if we still had chad. do any of you think we would have won that shootout against the patriots w/chad? or how about the titans game?, teams would just put 8 men in the box, and make chad beat them w/his arm, which he still cant do. i will say this though, the dolphfags know how to use him better than we did [under mangini]
Yes, the Dolphins are coached better. Also, their linemen hold blocks longer and better. This has allowed Pennington to find open receivers on many plays that were slow to develop. This is also the reason the Dolphins have had success with the single wing. The key to the single wing is the ability to hold blocks.
Perhaps but we also would have definitely won some of these ridiculous games that the great Favreini's lost, because Chad doesn't have to heave up the ball to nowhere and lead the league in INT's. We'd probably have a similar record or better with Chad and the Fish wouldn't be a factor.
I think whats being missed by Jet fans is Miami is winning by playing team football. Not hoping one or two stars outplay everyone on the field. We have big names Like Joey Porter and Ronnie Brown, but they aren't the only players making plays. Chad usually throws for about 185 to 225 yards a game, he has maybe 1 or 2 TD passes a game and he has a high completion% and low TO rate. Not superstar numbers, but not losing numbers either. Our D is like 15th in the lague overall, but we've been in nearly every game thanks to the balance. Our coaching has helped our success more than anything else. They keep the players grounded and focused.
The decision to let Chad go and to bring in Favre is on Tangini. And of those two, I'd put it more on mangini. So keep that in mind when you evaluate the job they have done. These are mangini's systems, his OC and Dc, his players. he didnt get it done with what he brought in.
Wait wait wait... you mean to tell me that head coaches have something to do with player acquisition??? Hell, for the 5 years before Mangini got here, I had been led to believe that they didn't. You learn something new every day.
Someone's gotta pick out the groceries to make the meal with. :wink: Core values and all that. And i do think these guys have good values and actually do have a work ethic. It comes down to other things too, like gameplans, in-game adjustments, playcalls, getting them ready to PLAY on Sunday- not just show up, So much of this collapse points directly to the CS, imo.
