Well...I just typed Richard Seymour into the Google search bar - look what came up first on the list. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2554 ...does it say that he goes to Georgia? Oh, yes...it does. Yoooooour bad
You have issues. Seriously. I typed in Richard Seymour Georgia Tech...which I implied in my post here: Why this was a big enough deal for you to actually post a reply when the discussion didn't even involve you is beyond me. Not only were you not involved in the discussion, but it's pretty clear I know what I did wrong. I can't stop you from replying to me, and I'm not going to ignore you because that'd ruin the flow of the board to me...but get over your little internet grudge with me. Kthxbye.
Haha, I don't think so. The Jets have invested too much into their OLBs to go that direction in the first, unless some amazing value fell in their laps(Cushing is not that). And, as I mentioned, I don't like Cushing half as much on the inside. Robert Ayers from Tennessee could be a second day sleeper for the Jets.
I like Ayers, but I'm not a fan of his NFL potential. I heard of this guy Jarron Gilbert over on NFLDC: http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27782 Sounds interesting to say the least. Sounds like he could be a Jason Hatcher (Cowboys) type...good rotation potential in a 3-4.
Yeah, he's better shooting gaps right now but if he can put some weight on his frame, he could be solid. I look forward to Ayers' workouts. Look at this: "Tennessee Robert Ayers might be the best outside pass rusher I saw all year. His get off quicks were second to none and I predict by draft time Robert will be high on every club?s draft board and runs like a quarter horse. He has got an absolute ton of athletic skills and play making ability. For now I see him as a bottom of the first top of the second selection. Oh and by the way, remember you heard it first on scout.com!" I can't post links yet but you can find the link at Draft Daddy under "Top Defensive Prospects." Now, I wouldn't go as far as this guy. I actually came away more impressed with Ayers' ability to play the run and how he made plays for UT standing up(since my favorite team obviously runs a 3-4), but this was interesting.
Ayers was the most noticeable Tennessee DL player when I watched them because he made players. But they have two very good DTs, and he was helped immensely by them. He's strong, but I didn't see amazing physical skills from him. His best characteristics to me, and the reason he'll get a shot in this league, is that he's a leader, he's a high motor guy, and he's fundamentally sound. Otherwise, I think theres better physical talent and he'll be a Day 2 pick at best. Like you said, I've been more impressed with his ability to play the run this year, and he's a major reason why Tenn. was great against the run yet again. I really think DeMonte Bolden should get some looks as a 3-4 DE, but he has a little Dre Moore in him.
Bolden has more Dre Moore in him than Dre Moore did if I catch your drift. All the talent in the world, but it never translated. No work ethic whatsoever...I wouldn't touch him. I wouldn't attribute too much of Ayers' success to the DT's. We'll see.
The thing about Bolden and Moore is that they didn't really suck in college. Neither played up to their talent level consistently in school, and you can't carry that kind of crap work ethic to the NFL. The other DT, Dan Williams gets alot of love from Vols fans. He's a talented space eater, though not a first round talent. I think he's someone who'll be a nice Day 2 pick for someone.
I think Moore made more plays than he was given credit for- he was always in Friedgen's doghouse though. A good amount of Erin Henderson's tackles came on backside fills behind Moore's penetration. I haven't seen Bolden do anything. But I agree on Williams, he's draftable. He does some good dirty work for UT.
I definitely liked Moore coming out. It's hard not to like a 6'4 300 pounder who can run a 4.88. When he wanted to get into the backfield, he could get in almost automatically. Thing is, he just couldn't and doesn't push himself to do it often enough. Bolden seems to be the same way, and that sucks. Who do you like more, Shady or Moreno? And what do you think of Rashad Johnson, the Bama safety? He's my favorite safety in this class, though favorite doesn't mean best.
Tough one, but I have an SEC bias so I learn towards Moreno. They're both fantastic though. It really comes down to preference. I think Moreno can create his own yardage a little bit better so I'll give him the edge. Unlike McCoy, Moreno was going against top-ranked defenses behind a very inexperienced line(P.S. I really like McCoy's G CJ Davis- watch him). Both of their instincts are off the chart though so both will be successful at the next level. Beanie is the one I have mixed feelings on... Love Johnson. He's a coach's dream. I don't think he will put up the workout numbers to go first but he'll go 2nd round. Top notch instincts and ball skills- he plays faster than he times so although he may be a 4.55 guy- I don't care. Great leader, smart- he's the type of guy who you can see having a nice 12 year career in the NFL. Speaking of his workout, scouts love him despite conceding he might not have top-notch athleticism. He's one of those guys that can highly benefit from great workout since that might be his one knock. Say he adds 10 pounds of muscle prior to the combine and runs a 4.45, he could sky-rocket. I think he'll hold better value to a Cover 2 team than the Jets. I think William Moore really suits what the Jets look for in safeties. He can play both safety spots, he can play zone but also can man up with slot receivers and TE's, he's a fantastic tackler, and he also is a great blitzing safety. Louis Delmas would be another Jets-type safety to play opposite Kerry Rhodes. It's a really good year to need a safety.
Nah, I think Johnson is more physical than his size and stature would indicate. I think he'd do fine in our system, especially since Mangini, BB, and Parcells all rely on the Cover 2 heavily as far as coverage schemes go. I like that he plays intelligently, but aggressively...coaches dream is right. Moore and Chung would fit us well too. Really, most of these safeties can play for us. It's just a matter of which one we choose IMO. I've heard good things about CJ Davis, and I'll have to find out more about him. What do you think of Evander Hood at 3-4 DE?
Hood seems like more of a one-gapper to me right now but I'm going to give him a harder look because I was wondering the same thing.
I suck at comparisons, but these are just a few off the top of my head as I was making some pop-tarts: Michael Crabtree = Andre Johnson - Routes are shaky, but that very rarely poses a problem, near perfect size speed mix, equally dangerous with the ball in there hands, can score from anywhere on the field or any route, strong, can just beat a corner down. Kenny Britt = Terrell Owens- Physical marvel, doesn't take full advantage of strength, very much speed based, likes stretching the field more than anything, drops/lapses occur when frustrated, loud, knows how to use body very well for positioning. As for Moreno and McCoy, while kind of similar in size they have some drastically different running styles. If I had to compare them to anyone (when they were coming out), I'd put McCoy with Reggie Bush and Moreno with LDT. McCoy loves to do the start stop running that Reggie did, darting A to B to A to C before finding a hole. Like it has Reggie, it's going to make his transition to the NFL tougher, the speed of the game will force changes. Luckily for him, that start stop ability has a chance to make him a terrific receiving back from the start in the NFL. I don't know about his frame to add any weight, but he's got tremendous athletic ability. If it were my team, pending workouts, I'd look at him more towards the tail end of the first. For Moreno, he's got the same mentality that LDT did in college, run towards the end zone. You will rarely see Knowshon make cuts that put him running completely horizontal on the field. When he moves, he's always going to be moving forward, no more than 45 degrees away, then right back square with the end zone. That's the kind of thing that I'd need to see if I were to pick a kid as my franchise runner these days, way too many guys think they can stutter step in the back field and be a productive running back. Moreno looks a bit shorter, and more stout than Shady does, doesn't run as high, and changes direction much better.
Tomlinson weighed about 15 pounds than Moreno (who I don't think is over 205, but if he is he's 210 tops). I see nothing in their games that are similar actually. I actually think McCoy is as close to LT as a prospect as we've seen in a while. Similar build, similar size, similar roles (both LT and McCoy were their colleges entire offenses), McCoy has LT's sick cutting ability, neither is/was considered a burner coming out....I could probably keep going. I have to disagree on comparing McCoy to Bush. I hate using such a cliche line, but if you've seen McCoy play...there's almost no similarities to Bush. Bush liked to dance in the backfield, McCoy likes to cut to gain yards going foward...Bush waits for a perfect hole...McCoy aggressively attacks a hole and tries to get himself in the open field where he works best.
i agree with you. i'm not so sure about the similarities in build--i see LT as having a more defined lower-half than mccoy does. still, they do have similar skill sets. mccoy is very shifty and can make some cuts; he advances the ball up the field and can make defenders miss. he doesn't have much help on the pitt side of the ball. he's their entire offense. i also agree with you on the mccoy-bush comparison. bush was never a between-the-tackle runner in college. mccoys not like that though. he actually attacks the hole, where he then proceeds to make his shifts, moves, and cuts as he makes defenders miss, as opposed to bush, who just ran away from everyone. watching mccoy you notice that he also has great vision. he attacks the hole and once there he knows where to go to separate himself into the open field. in addition to this he doesn't go down on first contact easily. and like you said, while mccoy still has excellent speed, he isn't really a "burner" like say, a bush or a spiller is. bush is a talented, dynamic weapon that the saints can use as a receiver, as a KR/PR, occasionally out the backfield, etc etc etc. i see mccoy being a feature back. honestly, i want mccoy to stay in college another year. id really like for us to draft him, not only because of his skill as a player, but also because the last time the Jets had a RB from pitt some good things happened, lol. if he comes out this year, i dont see us taking him, what with the year jones had and also taking into account that we'd have some bigger needs to fill. we may be more inclined to draft a feature back, one who can actually make defenders miss, a year from now. i love jones' grit and toughness but once contact is made with him, it's not long till he goes down. and it's not like he could make some of those defenders miss, either. i'd love mccoy.
