We don't need to wait until the last week of the season...if Mangini can't stop the bleeding an put together a game plan that puts Seattle in their place early, what other evidence do you need? He's got a powerful 1-2 punch in the running game.. He's got Brett Favre, who all his acolytes tell us, is the be all, end all He's got over 50 million dollars worth of new players SHOULDN'T WE EXPECT HIM TO GIVE US ONE WELL PLAYED GAME PER MONTH? CAUSE THAT'S WHAT ITS BEEN...ONE MONTH SINCE THIS TEAM HAS PLAYED WELL. IF HE CAN'T ELICIT A GOOD GAME THIS WEEK, WHAT MAKES US THINK HE'LL DO IT NEXT WEEK? If they stink this week, may as well fire his ass and let Callahan coach'em against Miami. At least he'd run the ball more.
I am going to re-post part of a previous post that I wrote and posted a couple of weeks ago in one of the silly Bill Cowher threads because it perfectly sums up why I think it's absurdly shortsighted and improvident to be talking about firing our head coach: I personally think it's utterly ridiculous to be talking about replacing Mangini . . . EVEN IF WE MISS THE PLAYOFFS. I know most of you would probably disagree with me but I have always believed that NFL teams (and sports teams in general) are far too impatient with coaches. If the Titans were ever as impatient as many people want the Jets to be with Mangini, Jeff Fisher would have been fired MULTIPLE times throughout his lengthy tenure as Head coach in Tennessee. I believe in letting a coach (especially a young coach) grow with the front office for 5 or 6 seasons. I think a lot of coaches just need a few years to get a handle on the job and what it takes to lead NFL teams to victory. A classic example of this is none other than Bill Belicheat. He was widely considered to be a mediocre head coach during his first stint in Cleveland. EVERYBODY said that he was a defensive genius who was made to be a lifelong defensive coordinator in the NFL. After four seasons, Cleveland got impatient with him (he had compiled a 36-44 record with only one playoff appearance - Interestingly enough, this would be very similar to Mangini's first few years as coach if we fired him after this season, except that Mangini's record would be CLOSER to .500) and let him go. We all know how well he did when he got another shot . . .
I'll just point out that if the Jet's lose in Seattle and New England loses to Arizona that the Jet's fate will STILL be in their hands on week 17. The referendum is going to be the Dolphins game no matter what because if the Jets win this week and lose week 17 they will sit out the playoffs.
The problem with these Mangini's future type threads is we are not able to differentiate between the negative consequences of having two underperforming coordinators - how to apportion blame? There is also the reality that it is the rare coach who is fired after leading their team to a winning season.
And most of the time a team that fires a coach after a winning season (San Diego) winds up regretting it down the road. Still the Jets are not like a normal NFL franchise, you have to take all the cascading curses into effect.
if the Jets lose in Seattle...it's over...seriously. The Cardinals haven't won on the East Coast yet (they're the NFC version of the Jets in that regard)...and i don't see a warm-temp team going into Foxboro and beating the Patriots in the cold....especially after they got their asses handed to them by Tarvaris Jackson. The Jets need to win in Seattle....most important game of the year at this point....bottom line.
i hate switching coaches because it always puts the team into a rebuilding mode. But the Jets better beat Seattle. if they don't, it will be on the coaching AND the players.
Not to mention he took over a mess and wasn't expected to have a winning season at all for a year or two. To have two double digit win years in his first three is not grounds for firing the guy. I wonder how many people here actually were Jet fans through the Rich Kotite era. I mean if we're going to compare everyone to Parcells and Belichick on one end, might as well look at the other extreme as well.
Kickass post. If people put a little extra thought into the time they waste thinking of negative bullshit here, they might reach the same point. Theres just no point in firing a coach until he either completely loses the team or he shows he's clearly, clearly incompetent. I mean the Jets JUST had a HC that cruised through his first few years here. When it came time for him to make the team in his own image, he made nothing but bad choices personnel wise. Under that coach we let go of young, talented players like Randy Thomas, Coles, and McKenzie. All 3 at the time were our best G, T, and WR at the time. All were younger than 26. We let go of Fergy in his prime. That shit isn't happening now, and thats how you build and remain a good team. Or we could continue to complain about the little things and keep our heads in the sand. The line between good and bad in the NFL isn't huge, but I'd say Mangini's at least got us leaning towards "good." I can see great things happening for us under Mangini if we let it, but we've got a weird, shortsighted fanbase and if they get bored the team's hands might be tied there.
Agreed. Fans also think when a player drops a wide open 3rd down or when a team makes a fluke interception (the Bills game) that it is the coaches fault
I'm glad to see some people actually agree with me. There are obviously still some fans on this board who process information logically. :beer:
Heres the Deal: The Jets will beat the Seahawks. Probably with ease. If not, then A: They don't deserve the Playoffs B: Wait, they will just beat the Seahawks. So, yeah.
I totally agree with this thread, this is a statement game...this is thursday night in New England...this team must turn the corner and cut the crap. If they come to Seattle and lay an egg, much like Sunday against Buffalo it is an indication that the team is not prepared and motivated....they have the talent...but preparation and motivation is a coaching tool.
Yeah, but the greater problem here is what we see week in and week out. Perception drives reality, and frankly I don't see Mangini coaching. I never see him kneeling in front of his offense or defense. Never see him holding any player or coach accountable right there at the moment. I pretty much see a forced angry face, with an occasional expression, chewing a lot of who knows what, and talking a great game in interviews with his ?Core Jet Value? rhetoric?.
I don't care how mathematically alive we are...don't look at the record. Look at the performance. With the exception of the Tennessee game and the St. Louis game, this team usually plays down to the level of its opponent...coaching. This team is taking killer penalties...coaching. This team fails to adequately utilize its best weapons...coaching. This team plays not to lose at every turn....coaching.
Also, this is the...15th game that proves Mangini's worth as a coach this season. Each one is more official than the next. Despite the fact that he's passed 9 of those games, the 5 "he" lost should be weighed far more significantly.
But in theory we could keep Mangini around and continue to have this be the pattern year after year. This is a veteran team with a ton of free agent additives at key positions and it's still playing like a disorganized mess with no clue as to whether the play will be good or bad from week to week or even play to play. Personally I'd like to have a coach who has a clue about how to get MORE out of the talent he has as opposed to settling for whatever shows up in a given game. Parcells would have 11 wins with this team right now and we'd all be looking at a good shot at the Super Bowl.
So, if the Jets win this week, all is good in the world? Pink fuzzy bunnies and rainbow ponies for everyone? Personally I'm not that much of a believer in the manchild. He gets no pass from me just for a win this week.
You know what's freaking pitiful? This team is having great injury luck and it's still underperforming. This season could have gotten blown away by a QB or RB injury or by a bad injury in the trenches and we'd all be commiserating over our lousy luck and instead everybody is healthy and they're still not playing to the level they should be.
The performance is 9-5 with the 3rd most points scored in the league. Just sayin. And we've traditionally been a low penalty team under our past 3-4 HC's...and we were low penalty with Mangini before this year...maybe it's still the player overhaul? I love how "not utilizing their best weapons" is actually considered legit...we got rid of Justin Miller for Leon Washington to return kicks and thats turned out fine, and he's on pace to have the most touches of his career. Does anyone care? No. Does it matter that Thomas Jones is getting enough carries to reset the franchise single season TD record? Does it matter that Coles and Cotchery have almost 1,500 yards and 11 TDs between them? Nah. Ellis and Jenkins have 11.5 sacks between them as 3-4 linemen, and Jenkins has turned around a bottom 5 run D into one of the better run D's in the league this year...thats not proper utilization. But why should any of this be factors? We're only 9-5 and in control of what happens to us...we deserve MORE as a fan base.
