Didn't we get James Farrior and Leon Johnson in the 1997 draft? Then in 1998 we didn't have a #1 pick because of the Parcells deal, but we got Curtis Martin as a restricted free agent. I'll take that any day of the week.
We got Farrior, Johnson and Jason Ferguson in 1997. We got Fabini in 1998, along with Kevin Williams who was an excellent prospect until the wheels fell off. We got Randy Thomas and Ryan Young in 1999. The problem in retrospect with the Parcells early drafts is that after we sorted the chaff out, and there was a bunch of chaff, we lost the guys who proved out to free agency or the 4-3 switch. It's impossible to evaluate how Parcell's drafts would have turned out if the Jets stayed in a 3-4 after he left. He drafted a ton of 3-4 trench players and most of those guys weren't going to be worth a lot in a 4-3.
'97 was disgusting for two reasons: Manning refused to come out as a junior, and Parcells didn't think Orlando Pace was worth the first overall pick. Orlando fuckin Pace...imagine this guy added to our OL of the late 90's/early 00's....
I don't have much care for this article... I am a Jets fan because I have been rooting for them, watching games since I was 5 or 6... not because they are "top dog" or the "underdog." I am a Yankees fan and a Jets fan, so I am aware of both sides of the spectrum. Also, Mangini never shows his emotions during a presser, he doesn't reveal injury reports let alone how he feels. Belichick seems like a miserable guy who just is nasty to the press, so how does he get that BB gets all emotional? If the author thinks Parcells is running the show in MIA, why does he say Sparano is a "top dog?"
True, but Parcells traded down to get more guys and still got Farrior. We can all argue players all day, it's hard to argue with 1-15 to 9-7 to 12-4, AFC Championship Game, regardless of how we did it. It's not like we were a quick hit and sucked after Parcells left, either, we didn't have another losing season until 2003.
I love Parcells...But does anyone remember that fateful night in Detroit....Leon Johnson dropping back to pass? Belidouche is the greatest coach in the game today. But Our guy...Is only on his THIRD YEAR. P&B have more time in the mens room then he does on the sideline. The question is, does he learn, and is he getting better...I think so. He's beaten Belidouche twice. In NE. One of the issues that prompts all this complaining is the lack of Offensive touches for Leon. I tend to agree, however, considering that he alone gives you a HUGE advantage in Special Teams (and by extension, field position) is it worth risking an injury by giving him plays that TJ can run? I have more of a problem with the offensive coordinator than I do the HC.
We were beat up early in 2002. 3/5 of our OL were playing hurt or out, we had 6 new defensive starters, Curtis couldn't move. We did get farrior and Leon but we had the #1 overall pick! Farrior had ONE big year for us which was his contract year and leon was done w/in 2 years. The Curtis signing was great as was Mawae and Vinny(got lucky w/ that one as well as Cox) but his drafting was abysmal. We had multiple players a year that didn't even make the team out of camp and he inherited a 1-15 team. He did a terrible job w/ the draft and he ruined our cap.
Are you kidding? He produced the second best Jet's season EVER in his second season on the job and out of the ashes of the Jet's worst two season run ever. What the heck are you smoking?
Yup, all reasons beyond Vinny's control. He was running for his life out there. To be fair, it was impossible to know Leon Johnson would blow out a knee two years down the road. He was kind of the Leon Washington of the era, you never know what happens. I expected more from Farrior, in hindsight Pace would have been the move, but I forget exactly what we got for trading down and who that turned into. The 1-15 team he inherited actually had good talent and the free agents you mentioned made the team ahead of rookies, not surprising for Parcells. Again, the proof is in the record and the subsequent years after he left, it's hard to argue with. I don't care if he did it through free agency or the draft.
I agree with this. A lot of you will remember we almost got Mike Holmgren in 1990 but he was thought to be not ready so we took Bruce Coslet and Holmgren went to Green Bay two years later. So this time maybe we got the young guy a year or two soon and live with the growing pains, but it's not like he's been a disaster. Every Jet coach eventually puts up the obligitory 4-12 if they stay long enough, Mangini already has his out of the way and still has his record back to even. :grin: Mangini made a good point about this in his PC yesterday--there's only one ball. People want Coles and Cotchery to get the ball, Jones leads the AFC in rushing, people want Keller to get the ball, Leon, Baker, now Clowney. As long as we move the ball, that's what matters.
So that made his awful drafts good? This has nothing to do w/ him as a coach. he's an all-time great coach that inherited A TON of talent despite our 1-15 record. he made a few good moves and did a masterful job of coaching along w/ that amazing staff we had but his drafts were pathetic. 1997 1 1 8 8 James Farrior LB Virginia 2 2 1 31 Rick Terry DT North Carolina 3 3 28 88 Dedric Ward WR Northern Iowa 4 4 6 102 Terry Day DE Mississippi State 5 4 8 104 Leon Johnson RB North Carolina 6 5 1 131 Lamont Burns G East Carolina 7 5 15 145 Raymond Austin DB Tennessee 8 6 1 164 Tim Scharf LB Northwestern 9 6 28 191 Chuck Clements QB Houston 10 7 1 202 Steve Rosga DB Colorado 11 7 28 229 Jason Ferguson DT Georgia 1998 1 2 26 56 Dorian Boose DT Washington State 2 3 6 67 Scott Frost DB Nebraska 3 3 26 87 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State 4 4 19 111 Jason Fabini T Cincinnati 5 5 11 134 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern 6 5 18 141 Doug Karczewski T Virginia 7 5 23 146 Blake Spence TE Oregon 8 5 26 149 Eric Bateman T Brigham Young 9 6 10 163 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland 10 6 21 174 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State 11 6 30 183 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young 12 7 6 195 Lawrence Hart TE Southern 1999 1 2 26 57 Randy Thomas G Mississippi State 2 3 29 90 David Loverne G San Jose State 3 4 28 123 Jason Wiltz DT Nebraska 4 5 29 162 Jermaine Jones DB Northwestern State (LA) 5 6 14 183 Marc Megna LB Richmond 6 6 28 197 J.P. Machado G Illinois 7 7 17 223 Ryan Young T Kansas State 8 7 29 235 J.J. Syvrud DE Jamestown
I loved Leon Johnson, I had his jersey BUT to get what e got out of that '97 draft when we had the 1st pick in every round just wasn't good enough. We had 11 picks and only 3 became starters and onyl 1 guy was on the team just 4 years later. That's an awful job.
Yea, but even at the time many thought this was crazy. Pace was considered the best LT prospect to come out since Munoz, and a fit for any team. It's not that it hurt us to where we sucked...but the difference between a HOF LT like Pace and an above average ILB like Farrior was and is huge. Plus, Farrior didn't adjust well to the 3-4 for quite a while, and as soon as he did he was gone. Parcells made this teal well above average, but he still had a few obvious mistakes at the time...one was never really adding any game-changing type talents to the team in the 90's...only in that Ellis/Abe/Pennington draft did we draft any game changers, but we never got to see that play out because Pennington and Abe were killed by injuries here. I hate thinking about where this team could be if they made some of the moves they only talked about making in legend.
Yeah Belicheck and Parcells are better coaches than Mangini most likely, but the Jets have more talent on the field than both teams together right now
Bingo....now this is solid. Very solid. If you want to debate this issue..it has to begin and end with this post. BB is showing his worth this year..and the dolphins are doing it with heart..and a couple mirrors. These stats from the Dolphin game are well....you read them. niners dolphins First Downs 24 11 Passing 16 6 Rushing 6 5 Penalty 2 0 Third Down Efficiency 8-17 1-7 TOTAL NET YARDS 318 248 Total Plays 79 42 NET YARDS PASSING 206 150 Completions-Attempts 30-47 12-19 Yards Per Pass Play 4.0 7.5 PENALTIES 4 8 Penalty Yards 20 66 TIME OF POSSESSION 38:13 21:47 smoke and mirrors type season for the Dolphins...and the question is..story book ending in week 17?
