guys can we all admit though that the comparison is between - 2 LOCK Hall of Fame Coaches and a guy whose footprint is not even close to being established. Parcells had the benefit of great assistants and has not really one the big one without them and stuggled in Dallas, last time I looked I don't think that Bellichek has put on any rings sense weiss and crennel boogied. This is not a reply to argue Mangini is even close to being in the league of the other two guys, just wanted to point out I don't think we should give to much credit to a reporter who decided he was gonna base an article on a fact that two of the 10 greatest coaches of all time is better then a green behind the ear 3rd year coach.
He still would have been better off going to Minny as they have an excellent D and better weapons on O. He's a Southern guy, I think he wanted to go down South.
Exactly... Which is why I think the only reason why we were able to lure him I think is b/c of the Parcells connection.
I meant "Parcells&Co" like I've said in all the other posts. Its what I call our coaching staff and FO. Dan Henning was the connection I was specifically referring to. And but even w/ Henning... I dont think Pennington would have had enough confidence in the 1-15 organization to come here w/o the rest of Parcells&Co here...
I think it's far more simple than that. In Miami, barring Chad Henne lighting up the sky, he was all but assured a starting position. In Minnesota, Brad Childress would have still made him compete against Tavaris Jackson. I'm not sure the competing styles contrast well for Chad on a practice field. I'm also not sure Childress has an ounce of gray matter to figure out which is better.
I doubt Childress would make Chad compete with Tavaris (although, I could be underestimating Childress's stupidity, lol)... There is no competition between the 2... especially considering what Minn needs from the QB position w/ how the rest of their team is set up...
While part of this is true....and IM NOT DEFENDING MANGINI (who should be part of the drug tests the players must take for keeping some of his staff for so long) I still regard Mangini as a coach thats growing. Hey...take a look at BB's record after 3 years....BB got tossed out of Cleveland. Mangini is going to have 2 10 game winning seasons probably out of his first 3. As far as Parcells goes, look at the record. Parcells hasnt won crap since BB left him. I loved Parcells coming here...but the bottom line is that anyone that looks at the Dolphin roster and thinks that a superbowl team is being built...give me a break. Like the Jets...by the time that day comes...they too will be searching for a new qb. Out of all these coaches, only one coach has won together with the rest of them..and by himself..and thats BB. Putting Parcells record with BB's at this point is absurd. While Parcells record is great...he has yet to do it alone. As far as Parcells "pulling the strings", this writer too, needs a drug test. I give Sprano all the credit in the world. What Parcells can possibly do with 5 minutes to go up in a booth while chowing down on his warm nachos and cheese is lacking any football knowledge at all. Take a team from 1-15 to a 10 or more possible season? And Chad Pennington was your big off season signing? He is the coach of the year hands down.
I agree with the general gist of the original article, however the guy is missing one huge element in the equation: all the Jets have to do is win two games in a row and they win the division and there's nothing Belichik can do about that. I will say that if the Jets stumble and miss the playoffs I expect Mangini to be fired. He had this thing all but wrapped up a month ago and he completely blew the chance to take over the AFC East. Very few coaches stumble like that and survive, especially with all the other stuff blowing around Mangini right now.
I thought Parcells was involved in drafting Chad. Just b/c Groh was in charge, doesnt mean that there is no connection between Parcells and Pennington...
I agree... although I'm sure its not that shocking that I agree... lol! Although, I think the Matt Ryan hype train will make Mike Smith the COY... even though their big signing was the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL...
Groh was elevated from LB coach to head coach after Parcells and Belichick stepped down on consecustive days. So while he was technically in charge, he obviously was in the middle of a huge transition, so Parcells was there and certainly had input. That was the year they had four #1 picks, Pennington was one of them, however he never appeared in a game until 2002 when Herm Edwards was coach and Parcells and Groh were long gone.
Well, Parcells doesnt like playing young QBs, lol... I think we all know that. The point was, is that there was definitely a connection between Pennington and our OC and FO...
Henning was gone by the time Chad got on the field for us. He sat for a year (2000) behind Vinny and Lucas in Henning's offense but he never played a down in it and he was a rookie. Not that much of a connection but some familiarity, I guess, except that was eight years and three or four offenses ago for Chad.
Chad could very easily never have gotten on the field for any significant period of time in his NFL career. He didn't show a lot on the field during practices, primarily making his bones in the classroom, where he became Paul Hackett's sounding board on the WCO. Hackett wanted to give him a real shot to run the offense but Herm was doubtful that Chad had the arm to play in the NFL. Former defensive backs always look at arm strength as a premier element of a QB's presence on the field because a strong accurate arm is what scares the hell out of a defensive back concerned about being burned long. If Vinny does not start failing at the beginning of 2002 I think Chad probably never gets a chance with the Jets and probably never becomes an NFL starting QB.
I'm sure he was invovled in the discussions but it was groh's draft. Look at our awful '97-'99 drafts and you'll see what Parcells did for us. Parcells at the time said it was Groh who was in charge as he didn't want to take criticism for the Keyshawn trdae but years later after the picks worked out he tried to take credit but we know it was Groh.
Every coach in this league has the advantage over Mangini. Dude's such an idiot, n00b loser he couldn't guarantee a first place finish in the AFC East when he had it in his grasp. This article doesn't tell us anything new. He might has well have thrown in the 30 other coaches and 31 other GM's into this article. Mangini's lack of intelligence, heart, and fire are why this team has only won 9 games in a year they should have at least 12.
If the queen had balls she'd be king. I always thought Vinny got a bad rap for that 1-3 start, it wasn't all his fault. Even when Chad came in we still lost a few games before turning it around, but credit where it's due, we don't turn it around that year if they didn't make that move, as much as I loved Vinny.
