Mock Draft with FA signings 12/11

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  1. JetsLookingforDWare

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    You've...never once in your life seen Carlos Dunlap have you?

    To compare Greg fucking Middleton to Carlos Dunlap is hilarious, and I'm far from a Florida fan either.
     
  2. The GM

    The GM New Member

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    I really don't think he'll ask for a lot of money at all - probably a small contract actually. The Eagles have Demps as his replacement and if he is not going to retire he will look to go to a team where he has a good chance of winning a SB ring. He is a 1-2 year stop gap safety while a mid-late round safety is developed behind him (David Bruton) or until we draft a first day safety to replace him. He the best thing out there aside from drafting Mays/Moore to fill the S void opposite Rhodes.
     
  3. The GM

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    I'm not comparing their athletic ability - I'm comparing their production and their draft projections in the following year. Middleton's production from last year (17 TFL, 16 sacks) is actually better than Dunlap's this year (12 TFL, 9 sacks). Same goes for Maurice Evans from last year (21.5 TFL, 12.5 sacks).

    Middleton and Evans were supposed to own this year and cement their Top 10 places, but then both had bad seasons.

    Middleton: 5 TFL, 4 sacks
    Evans: 4.5 TFL, 3 sacks

    So like I said, anything can happen.
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    And like I said...well....implied...neither of those could hold Dunlap's jock as an athlete.

    Middleton was never all that special in the first place. Evans is alot more fluid as an athelte and was really hurt by his suspension. If he stays for his senior season he can get his stock up again.
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    You lost the all of credibility you had here...I don't think you had any in the first place. This ENTIRE statement about Rhett Bomar is just flat out false.

    In 2005, Bomar's redshirt freshman season, he led the Sooners to an 8-4 record, and got them into the Holiday Bowl. I don't know what college football you're watching, but that's not the National Championship.

    HOWEVER, in 2004, the Sooners made it the National Championship - with Jason White as their quarterback. USC blew them out 55-19. Rhett Bomar never played a snap that season...

    Bomar took money from boosters at that car dealership. He got cash for "working" at a job that he rarely showed up to. That's pretty illegal...especially in college football.

    I'm a huge fan of this guy - I always have been - but don't compare him to Tim Tebow.

    No quarterback has ever been the same type of athlete as Tim Tebow. Rhett Bomar is a 20 pounds lighter, slower, and he's never, ever stiffed armed a defensive tackle to the ground.

    He had a lot of promise at OU, and he might've been in Sam Bradford's spot if he wasn't dismissed from the team...

    Rhett Bomar is the #1 senior quarterback in most ratings this year. He's done extremely well at Sam Houston State. I hope he succeeds in the NFL.

    It's a pipe-dream to think he'll last until the 5th round. He'll be a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

    Oh yea...you never answered my question: What scouting agency do/did you work for? I still think it's BS.
     
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    xmscott Well-Known Member

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    On paper, imo, that looks like a good 2009 draft.
     
  7. Nesquik

    Nesquik Well-Known Member

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    I think its fair to predict 2 or 3 years down the road but to predict someone slipping from now especially someone like Dunlap who as u said is Mario Williams like is kinda silly considering the grade he has right now.Williams was chosen first, now Dunlap probably wont be chosen first but he right now is a top 10 pick.Plus he probably isnt best suited for 3-4 anyway
     
  8. The GM

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    Didn't realize I wasn't allowed to make a mistake when looking at the year Oklahoma went to the National Championship/Holiday Bowl.

    Bomar won't be drafted in the 2nd/3rd. He is going to be taken off of a lot of draft boards because of what happened but that doesn't concern me because once he signs an NFL contract he won't need any other source of $$. Also he is a tough kid and he didn't slide when he ran with the ball - he lowered his shoulder and tried to get the extra yard. He might not have been stiff arming LBers to the ground but only a handful of QBs fight for the extra yard like that - Tebow, Bomar, Michael Robinson who is now a SF RB, and Daryll Clark.

    And for the Tampa Bay Bucs - but under a scout and worked at the TC, not as the idiot who drafted Dexter Jackson just because he had the speed to be deep threat. I was very high on Geno Hayes for the Cover/Tampa 2 system and I'm glad they drafted him - he will succeed in that defense.
     
  9. The GM

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    That might be - but I like his size and his ability to get after the QB. He's probably suited to be a stud LE in a 4-3 because of those qualities, but he has the size/strength to be a good 3-4 DE and bring that added dimension of a pass rusher to the table that not many 3-4 DEs do.

    We will have to wait and see what kind of season he has next year.
     
  10. Mr Electric

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    That's not just a mistake. You said that he led them to the National Championship in a year when he didn't even take a snap. You didn't just confuse the years...

    Rhett Bomar doesn't have character issues. He's never been arrested -- he was cited for minor alcohol possession one time, but that's not a big deal...he was paid illegally by a booster and he made the wrong choice in that situation, but I'm pretty sure that most NFL scouts won't be scared off by this...especially since he bounced back and had a huge senior season at Sam Houston State.

    If Jeff George's whiny ass can go in the first round, Bomar can go in Rounds 2 through 3.
     
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    inSANITy Banned

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    You obviously liked it you mad a post how you think we should get him

    as for heyward bey he isnt that good i go to maryland
     
  12. Warhound7

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    Oh Mr. E, its almost draft season which means we get to argue with everyone else. Are you looking forward to it as much as I am?

    Sorry i've been quiet. New job in NYC and the commute is killing me. Hope all is well.
     
  13. Mr Electric

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    I'm always ready to defend the draft forum. I hope you get to come around more often...
     
  14. The GM

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    An alternate view:

    I'd really like if we could trade down to the top of the 2nd with a team that will be looking to add one of the last franchise LTs (Smith or Britton if he declares), a fallen RB like Knowshon Moreno or LeSean McCoy, or maybe a dynamic TE like Gresham just like we moved up for Keller.

    For our first we would take the '09 2nd and a '10 1st.

    With the 2nd we get (now 2a and Lindley becomes pick 2b) we would take Tyson Jackson who imo will fall because of the junior declarations at DE. Jackson is a prototypical run-stopping DE and would give a nice future at DE with Jackson and Canty.

    Then in 2010 we have two first round picks which gives us the wiggle room to move up to land a franchise QB if Bomar/Ratliff/Clemens don't work out, but assuming one of them does we could land Arrelious Benn, WR with 1a and keep McClain as 1b. Benn is my favorite WR in college football with his size/speed, excellent strength for a WR, ability to stretch the field, and his ability to go across the middle. He is a true #1 WR.

    2nd round pick in 2010 would then become either an OLB, OG (LG), or S.
     
  15. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Benn is sick, definitely agree he's a prototypical #1.

    The scary thing is that Dez Bryant is a bigger, longer version of Benn.

    Think '03 when Boldin and Johnson were in the same draft...except this time Boldin (Benn) will go in the first.
     
  16. Nesquik

    Nesquik Well-Known Member

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    I like Dez better idk maybe i havent seen Benn much but i cant remember one game that i saw him in that he wasnt a factor in, he has t.o. written all over him.
     
  17. The GM

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    I like Dez Bryant a lot too, but Bryant in every away game except for one completely disappeared. Benn is also faster and more athletic which is why I would take him over Bryant. Both are great WRs and will be #1 targets in the NFL.
     
  18. Theo Lambros

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    Agreed, I've seen every UF game this year. He's been hyped as the next-Mario Williams for quite some time and he's starting to realize that potential. Dunlap's production is just as good, if not better, than Williams' was when he was a SO.

    Dunlap's a top 10 pick- Middleton couldn't hold Dunlap's jock.

    Trent Williams should have been protecting Bradford's blindside instead of Loadholt. He's another 1st rounder.

    Agreed with Mr. E on Bomar as well.

    EDIT: Also, you're write-up on Bruton explains why he won't last until the 6th round- he's way too good of an athlete.
     
  19. rhodesfan16

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    also as much as i love Chris Canty (straight out of the Bronx) i really dont think Dallas will let him go
     

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