While I agree a couple of the big wins skewed some stats, top NFL Defenses don't rank 18th in points and 19th in yards regardless of a couple of games that may have skewed those stats. The fact is SF, KC and Oakland all passed the ball on us pretty well and two of those terrible teams beat us in very close games and we were a bit lucky to beat KC.
Last year, the Jets pass D gave up 7.2 ypa. This year? 7.3 Last year Jet opponents through 16 games attempted 470 passes against them. This year through only 13? 477. Clearly, while the pass D is hardly giving up anything more per attempt, opponents are passing on them much more frequently.
Oh yeah, I totally agree with this. I am merely trying to understand why the apparent upgrades on the D roster have not translated into better team stat rankings. I think the reason is just that teams last year didn't have to throw the ball at the Jets much to push them to 4-12. This year the Jets see much more of the pass. But of course, a good playoff team would have team D higher than 18 or 19. But a good playoff team would also not be the Jets, at least unless something huge changes.
Compare the pass D numbers with rushing D. In 2007, the Jets gave up 4.2 ypc. This year? 3.5. A big improvement. Last year in 16 games the Jets defended 517 rushing attempts. This year through 13 only 310 attempts. There is no way the Jets will have opponents rushing on them anywhere near what they saw last year.
Reality what the stats really show is a mediocre defensive team. Mediocre defensive teams don't dominate in this league. I really didn't expect to find that when looking at the stats because I view our team as a little better than that defensively and the O isn't exactly impressive and at best highly inconsistent from my impression. On a comparative basis against the league the O has been far better than the D. They rank 5th in scoring and 12th in yards. Now no question the scoring numbers are highly skewed by a couple of games. but 12th in yards gained and 18th in yards given up is a stat that has average NFL team written all over it. As much as we see glimpses that says we can dominate, the reality is we aren't dominating at all on either side of the ball. Based on our play the fact that we are 8 & 5 and control our destiny in the division is probably something to be happy about.
I don't want Cassell. He may turn out to be great, but there's still that question mark that needs to be addressed as to whether he's the real deal or just another 1 year pretender.
This thread is asking how we feel about the favre move. There are like 5 other threads on the defense.
He's a mercenary if he gets us deep into the playoffs I love it if he doesn't I could care less about him.
I'd take Cassel if Favre retires in a heartbeat. Man,you gotta put the Herm avatar up again,we were doing better when you had that up.
Why? We have Ratliff and Clemens. I still have faith in Clemens and Ratliff looks very promising so why spend more on Cassel when he has yet to prove he's any better?
My take is this is not on Favre. Wouldn't matter who the QB is...the biggest issue we have is the coaching staff and their system...ITS BROKE
I haven't seen anything on ratliff,so i can't make a fair judgement. But Clemens? He is horrible. I would be happy trading him away for a bag of chips so i never have to see him play a game with the jets again. Ratliff is a project,if Favre retires we are going to need to someone with some experience and atleast a shred of success to play here next year. We went and got a lot of talent(Faneca,Jenkins,Pace etc),but they are not young and we can't afford to wste a whole season trying out QBs again.
JET fans were initially led to believe that this entire Brett Favre/Chad Pennington debate was about arm strength + the QB mechanics (quick release, etc.) ---- a debate on which QB could thrive better in the Schottenheimer coordinated offense. So the question really becomes which tool is better for the job? JET fans were so desperate to see a pass with any kind of zip on it that they quickly forgot that Favre was turning 39 years old in October, 2008 & has been pondering his own retirement after every season for the past 3 or 4 years. Not to mention that we would have to cough up a 2nd round draft pick……looking more each week like it could end up as a 3rd rounder, but a draft pick nonetheless. From the beginning, I was unsure of what to think about getting Favre. Don’t we have enough of our own problems without getting involved in this whole Favre/GB thing? It also seemed to be something of a knee-jerk win-now type of move with a little bit of our longterm future involved (the 2nd/3rd round draft pick). The only thing I was confident was good from it was that the JETS finally got out from under the “what to do w/Chad” situation once and for all. What is my take??? ---- BAD MOVE. Granted its easy with all the hindsight in the world. But don’t waste my time & tell me this team would not be 8-5 under Chad right now. The stats are on my side --- Favre 2,845 yards passing + Pennington 3,062 yards passing at this moment. Don’t forget to consider that we are comparing what is available at WR (the likes of Coles + Cotchery to Ted Ginn & Greg Camarillo/Derek Hagan and Co). Also remember we are now giving Favre a vastly improved offensive line with a rejuvenated Thomas Jones. Did you also forget about the additional offensive weapon in draft pick Dustin Keller? This has NOTHING to do w/either Favre or Pennington. Its all on Schotty. The results of the experiment are in & now its clear as the nose on your face --- Schotty cant cut it as an OC no matter who the QB is. And we still don’t even really know if Favre is coming back next season.
They knew what they had in Chad, they didn't see him for another month and decide to get favre. It took time to seal the deal. They didn't trust Chad's durability and they made the Favre move when it was available. As it turns out it was the wrong move for now. Favre has 3 reg season games and hopefully some playoff games to change that.
Chad Fans are like a cancer here. My take on the Favre pickup? I don't care if the Jets were 1-12 right now. Getting Favre enabled the Jets to get rid of Pennington. It's all gravy after that.
Favre isnt good. It takes him forever to hand off the ball. When he throws deep its either over thrown, under thrown, or intercepted. How many +20 yard receptions have we had this season?
I'm not a Chad fan. I'm an anti-Bad personnel trades giving up a 1st day draft pick fan. The fact that you couldnt care if the team was 1-12 leaves me..............well.......speechless.
Well, someone who sounds like a Chad Fan must have your password then. I didn't mean to say I didn't care if the Jets were 1-12. Fair point. I should have said as long as Chad was gone everything up from there is gravy. Of course being up from there is what I hope for, and still do. I just felt it was important to move on from the Chad Era, which the Favre move allowed the team to do.
To be fair, our offense per football outsiders which many consider to be far superior since it ranks performance based on the strength of the opponent, among others. Through 13, we were 8th overall, 7th in passing, and 10th in rushing. http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff As for Pennington, FO has him valued as the #8 in the league. The system for all of this is described in detail, and much more detailed than NFL's or ESPN's. http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb And Junc is right, there is no way we are 8-5 w/o Chad. 5-8 or 6-7 would be more accurate
