Um dude, When Pace/BT Rushes that's a blitz which is what I've been saying all along. In a 3-4 when you send an OLB it's a Blitz. and now you are saying exactly what I said earlier and arguing that I'm wrong in reference to sending other positions in which is in contradiction to what you said earlier... Get your facts straight if you're going to disagree.
What I want more than anything in the world (Defensively) is a coordinator that wants to go after opposing QBs. not just on occasion (allthough that would be an upgrade) but every play, I would love to see 7 man blitzes twice a possesion, I want to see the Jets make offensive lines stand around looking dumbfounded, complete disbelief at the guy who just ran past them and pummelled their QB. I want a DC from the NFC West god damnit! I want to live by the sword die by the sword. Not stare at the sword die by a Sniper Rifle. Fuck that, I want Sutton GONE at the end of this season.
Its that stinking 3-4 no pass rush defense plain and simple. I am so pissed off and you can't blame the players because its 3 vs 5 or 6 on the line and the qb has forever. Shit!
No, you don't know what you are talking about. What Jets often do when they rush 3 is, they actually put Pace or Thomas in for Kenyon Coleman on third and long (like I alluded to in my first post - this is usually part of their dime package). Also, when they rush four, it's not a blitz because they are in a conventional nickel defense (4 down lineman, 2 LBs, and 5 defensive backs) or, every once in a blue moon, in a conventional 4-3. I'm Not trying to sound like a football snob or anything but I played in High school and know the basics of football schemes pretty well.
and no, I wasn't saying what you were saying earlier at all. What I WAS saying was that their linebackers are terrible at executing blitzes. Again, the outside LBs (Pace and Thomas) have gotten most of their sacks when lined up in the DE position in a conventional nickel or dime 3rd down pass defense. In case you don't know (you don't seem like you do): A 'nickel' is 4 down lineman, 2 LBs, and 5 defensive backs (Ellis, Pace, and Thomas have gotten several sacks in some version of this base formation) A 'dime' has 6 defensive backs and either 3 down linemen or 4 down linemen (and therefore, either 2 LBs or 1 LB, accordingly) Another thing that I was saying was that most of the sacks that we have managed to get when blitzing have come from the secondary on safety and corner blitzes. But our linebackers suck when blitzing.
Again I already said this earlier and you are just repeating what I said. Re-read what I said about the Nickle and Dime. I broke it down and all you are doing now is repeating what I said which is going against your initial post which again I bolded in my previous post. You've already contradicted yourself as I pointed out in my previous post. and for the record Who hasn't played organized football?
Mangini believes in the BEND BUT DONT BREAK approach.......with that soft cover 2 last week and today that didnt work ..nor did nickel/man just looks like a completely different D.....and every team know KNOWS TO THROW 50 times on us and they should win
Yeah, read my last 2 posts and think about it. Then you can take your own advise in the future. :wink:
See that's the difference. I read ALL your posts and you're just saying to read your last 2. I don't think the same can be said for you but again, I think I stated my case with quotes in Bold proving my point. You can think what you want but it's right there in B&W... See ya around... :up:
No, I haven't contradicted myself at all. You either a) haven't carefully read what I have written or b) are too embarrassed to admit you don't know what you are talking about. I'll sum it up for you one more time. Many of the Jets' sacks have come from a conventional 3 or 4 man rush, depending on the formation being played. In fact, according to the head coach, a PLURALITY of their sacks have come from some version of a 3-man rush. (In most cases, a dime package). Btw, I got the implication that you didn't consider that the Jets play in many formations (as do all teams) because you pointed out that 4 rushers is a blitz in a 3-4 (This was irrelevant to point out because MOST of the blitzing situations we are talking about take place when the Jets are playing either a nickel or dime on third down). This lead me to believe that you didn't know what a nickel or dime defense was, something I'm still not certain you actually understand. And, AGAIN, I didn't contradict myself in any way, shape, or form. In my initial post, I pointed out how bad our Linebackers are at getting to opposing quarterbacks when they blitz. (And this lead me to point out that MOST of their sacks have come on plays when they have rushed the passer from a conventional DE position in either a 3 or 4 man rush). I made a POINT to make an exception for our defensive backs. In fact, I pointed out that many of the sacks we have gotten as a team when blitzing have come from one of the defensive backs on either a corner or safety blitz. The quote that you bolded was taken out of context, and when TAKEN WITHIN THE CONTEXT of my entire post, is in NO WAY contradictory with ANYTHING THAT I HAVE WRITTEN.
Based on many of the posts on this message board, I would venture to say that most of the people on this message board haven't. And I'm not saying that I'm an expert on NFL defensive schemes but I was a starting Free Safety for my high school varsity team for 3 years, so I know the basics very very well. And it's clear that a lot of casual football fans just don't.
Which proves you don't read because I have shown your contradictions already especially from your initial post.
LOL, do you realize how dumb you are making yourself look??? You keep digging yourself a deeper and deeper whole with each willfully ignorant post. Either you are struggling mightily with your reading comprehension skills (something I am starting to suspect) or you are too arrogant to admit you didn't read my first post very carefully at all.
Jenkins was being bottled up by double teams all day, and nobody else could make a play. We got shoved around and abused like a stepchild. Do we have any Men on this team? Anybody who takes pride in what they do? Anybody with competitive fire? Oh, and we drafted Vernon Gholston.
Just to spell it out for you . . . this is what you quoted: "We rarely get sacks when we send extra rushers" and then you said that I contradicted that statement when I said this: "a fair number of the sacks have come from either Revis, Lowery, Rhodes, or Elam." But you obviously didn't read what I wrote and took my comment COMPLETELY out of context. How so? Because here is the sentence which you cherry picked from, IN IT'S ENTIRETY: "WHEN WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE QUARTERBACK ON BLITZES, a fair number of the sacks have come from either Revis, Lowery, Rhodes, or Elam." So what I was saying (just in case you can't understand what that sentence means) is that WHEN we blitz (i.e. when we send extra rushers at the QB not lined up in a conventional DE or DT spot) AND are fortunate enough to get a sack, it's usually either a safety or Cornerback that gets it. (and my point was and is that our LBs sucks in executing blitzes) Get it now? Go back and read all of my posts both carefully and in their entirety. My points have been both consistent in their principles and lucid in their meaning.
The problem is that we rush 3 guys every play and have no chance to get the QB. You could have the best secondary in the NFL, and any decent QB with that much time in the pocket will pick them apart.
our mentality is killing me on d we chose to do everything in our power to defend the deep ball and you know what if that is our goal we get an A in that department. Problem is we have put qb's in position to make easy throws against us and put our linebackers in positions to have to do what they are not good at. its matter of playing away from our strengths and towards our weaknesses. Revis is on an island sometimes getting help from rhodes both doing there job but so far away from the play that teams are happy to just let us take that guy away. Favre has an all time great arm, all time we see the difficulty that he has completed the deep ball, its hard its a low % pass plain and simple. other then brees where is the qb's completing deep balls not happening. if we dont learn we are destine to flop, we must learn to play to our strengths let revis and law play the recievers defend the deep ball get burned once in a while but pressure these qbs please please
