Mr. E's FIRST Mock Draft 12/5/08

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  1. Mr Electric

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    I spent a good deal of time on this...sorry I know it's a lot of reading, but at least it's organized - I'd love for anyone and everyone to post likes/dislikes, questions, and anything else. This is my FIRST serious mock, and I plan on doing one every month until the draft...I went broken each pick down, compared the player to current and former pros, and given an alternative option in each round. Also, I've given my top 3 non-BCS conference prospects. Thanks and look forward to hearing what you guys have to say.

    Round 1: Junior LINEBACKER Mark Herzlich 6'4 240 Boston College -- I know this isn't the flashiest pick, but Herzlich one of the best defensive players I have ever seen. He can play inside or outside in the 3-4 and have an immediate impact. Herzlich is a game changer...plain and simple. He's been named the ACC's Defensive Player of the Year with 74 solo tackles, 10 TFLs, 3 sacks, and 6 INTs (2 returned for TDs). He's being called the greatest defensive player to ever play at Boston College. He's almost like a Matt Ryan on defense. It seems he doesn't know how to lose. He plays the pass well, he gets after the quarterback, he just makes the plays that most guys can't. Herzlich is a special player.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: New England Patriots' LINEBACKER Mike Vrabel

    ALTERNATIVE PICK: Junior WIDE RECEIVER Darrius Heyward-Bey

    Round 2 (from New Orleans Saints): Junior SAFETY Emanuel Cook 5'10 210 University of South Carolina -- The safety play opposite Kerry Rhodes has been a hole in our defense all season long. Abram Elam has shown flashes at times, but he's been far too inconsistent. Cook is a guy that a lot of people are going to know about come draft time. He's the hardest hitting player in the SEC. He leads the conference with 61 solo tackles and he's the best player on one of the better defenses in college football. He can cover just about anyone in the country and he can come up in the box and stick the ball carrier in short yardage situations. E-Man tears flat out tears it up week in and week out for the Gamecocks. He's the type of player that will have an IMMEDIATE impact on an NFL defense. With one hit he can change the game...and you can't say that about most safeties.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: Pittsburgh Steelers' SAFETY Troy Polamalu

    ALTERNATIVE PICK: Senior INSIDE LINEBACKER Clint Sintim 6'3 258 University of Virginia

    Round 3: Senior OFFENSIVE LINEMAN Herman Johnson 6'7 386 Louisiana State University -- Our offensive line has greatly improved under new offensive line coach Bill Callahan. The acquisitions of Alan Faneca and Damien Woody looked to be huge, but Woody has been the weak link on this new line. He's been great in run blocking, but has struggled at times against solid pass rushers. Herman Johnson is a mountain of a man. His feet are faster than you'd think and he has great athleticism for a guy his size. During some games he loses his drive, but when he's on...just run behind him. Johnson plays guard for the Bayou Bengals, but I believe he can easily make the transition from guard to right tackle. You can call this pick a depth pick or a project pick, but Johnson will be an NFL starter. It may take a full season before he becomes completely effective, but he'll get to where he needs to be.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: Dallas Cowboys' jumbo OFFENSIVE GUARD Leonard Davis

    ALTERNATIVE PICK: Senior DEFENSIVE END Pannel Egboh 6'6 276 Stanford University

    Round 4 (from Washington Redskins): Senior INSIDE LINEBACKER Jasper Brinkley 6'2 270 University of South Carolina -- Eric Barton is an aging vet and David Harris can't do it all by himself in the middle. Jasper Brinkley is the real deal. Every single time he hits a guy the crowd holds their breath. It seems to me that when he hits an exposed wideout, he's trying to kill the guy. He is a flat out beast inside. He makes shedding blocks look easy...he's almost as big as most college offensive linemen. If Brinkley didn't injure his knee in 2007, he'd easily be along side Rey Maulauga and Aaron Curry as the top linebacker in the upcoming draft. Early on this season, it looked as if Brinkley had lost a step, but he's come on as of late. If Brinkley's around in the 4th, you HAVE to take this guy. The only knock on this guy are his coverage skills. He has poor technique...that's all. He's a special type of athlete and he can be coached up. Jasper Brinkely may be the most underrated player in this draft.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: Former NFL linebacker Levon Kirkland

    ALTERNATIVE PICK: Senior TIGHT END Bear Pascoe 6'5 270 Fresno State University

    Round 5: Senior DEFENSIVE BACK Coye Francies 6'1 188 San Jose State University -- I have all the faith in the world in Dwight Lowery. I know he will be a solid NFL STARTING corner. Coye Francies, AKA The Bullet, has tons of potential at corner and at safety. After being kicked off of Oregon State's football team, Francies transferred to San Jose State for his final year of eligibility. He made the best of that opportunity. The Bullet has done a superb job on every receiver he's faced this season. He's a versatile player that has lined up at corner, safety, and wide receiver...he's also the Trojans' return man. Francies is an incredibly athlete - he runs a sub 4.4 in the 40 and has a 40 plus vertical leap. He's had some legal troubles in the past, but it looks like he's got his act together.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: Jacksonville Jaguars' CORNERBACK Rashean Mathis

    ALTERNATIVE PICK: Senior WIDE RECEIVER Sammie Stroughter 6'0 190 Oregon State University

    Round 6: Senior WIDE RECEIVER Jarrett Dillard 5'11 185 Rice University -- If this kid didn't play for Rice, he'd be a household name. He's put up huge stats at Rice - his career stats are AMAZING: 284 receptions for 4,052 yards and 59 TDs. Dillard's had 1,000 or more in the last seasons, and he's done well against big competition. An example of that would be Rice vs. Texas: Dillard had 9 catches for 158 yards and a TD against the BCS bound Longhorns. His size isn't up to par, but he has a knack for making huge plays.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: Indianapolis Colts' WIDE RECEIVER Marvin Harrison

    ALTERNATIVE OPTION: Senior RUNNING BACK Marlon Lucky 6'0 215 University of Nebraska

    Round 7: Senior RUNNING BACK Ian Johnson 5'11 200 Boise State University -- Most people know Ian Johnson because of Boise's 2007 memorable Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma. He should be recognized for more than that. Johnson ran for over 4000 yards in his college career...scoring 57 rushing TDs, which ties Marshall Faulk for the most rushing TDs in WAC history. He should become the all-time leader after Boise's bowl game. Johnson doesn't have great size or speed, but he has great power for his size...and he seems to have an extra step on most players come game time. He'll definitely be a solid backup in the pros, and he could emerge as a starter at some point.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: Poor man's Marshall Faulk

    ALTERNATIVE PICK: Senior KICKER Graham Gano 6'1 195 Florida State University

    Top Non-BCS Players:

    1. Junior QB Nate Davis - Ball State
    2. Senior TE Bear Pascoe - Fresno State
    3. Junior DB Sean Smith - Utah
     
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  2. DraftaFullBack

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    Moving Herman Johnson to right tackle would be a mistake, I also don't think he'll be available in the 3rd.

    I don't really see Herzlich coming out, but who knows.
     
  3. Mr Electric

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    Herman Johnson has started at both tackle spots for LSU and had success. Many teams are going to work him out as a tackle because of his height. You don't see too many 6'7 guards. His wingspan alone makes him a good tackle prospect. I don't think he'll be available in the third round either, but there are always risers/fallers. His weight could turn into an issue as well. In 2006, Eric Winston fell all the way to round 3 and he was one of the better tackles in college football. The draft is a crap shoot.

    Herzlich is arguably the most dominant defensive player in all of college football. There's a huge chance that he'll come out...especially with a first round grade. It's not like BC will be a nation title contender.
     
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    Maybe it's me being a homer, but personally I hope we get David Bruton or Courtney Greene, and I'd love to get Kenny Britt. Give me Kenny Britt as a top 3 WR next year. He's the big target we've been lacking in my opinion. I do like Heyward-Bey, but I'm not convinced he's going to be the caliber of player Britt could be.
     
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    Round 1: First of all I do not see linebacker as our most pressing need at the moment, but regardless I would still prefer your alternative pick of hayward bay. Still I would think that wherever the Jets pick in the first (hopefully we wont) that there would be better options available. Considering that some of these ILB's this year look great.

    Round 2: Once again I think this will be the alternate pick if it is offense in the first than it will be defense in the second. I would actually think to go ILB here if a DB is not selected earlier. However I once again feel that there are better players. While Im not saying that a Mays, Rolle (god damn that man is smart), or Moore will be available plus Cook does not appear to be much of a ball hawk and we could probably get one right about here

    Round 3: First of all there is no way Herman Johnson falls to the third. I like the alternative selection that guy is pretty good and durable.

    Round 4: I dont know if it is wise to go with another ilb with a knee injury. However this might be an opportune pick to find a Jenkins backup, I personally like Terrance Taylor if he adds some weight he could be a nice backup.

    Round 5: I would actually use this pick to draft a FULLBACK. yes I know it sounds crazy but Tony Richardson is only here for one year. However a guy you should keep an eye on is Quinn Johnson from LSU he is a huge Fullback at 6-1 and 262. He could be a long term solution at FB.

    Round 6 and 7: like both picks I think johnson may be picked up earlier but I would also advise to pick up another offensive lineman with one of those picks
     
  6. Mr Electric

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    Thanks for the comments - I'll answer now and try to explain why I went in the direction that I did.

    1. Mark Herzlich is the versatile linebacker that we lack. He can play, and be successful inside or outside. I know it's not our most pressing need, but if Herzlich falls into the 20s in Round 1, he'll be the BPA...by far.

    2. I don't think you know much about Emanuel Cook. He's the best tackling safety that I have ever seen, and he IS a ball hawk. A ball hawk is supposed to make game-changing plays by either intercepting the ball or just causing turnovers in general. Cook can do both. He made a lot of huge hits that have changed the final outcome in so many games at Carolina. Not many people know about him not, but he'll be a prospect that everyone knows about come draft time. Plus, you don't ALWAYS have to go offense then defense in the draft.

    3. Read my explanation to DraftaFullback - players rise and fall in every draft.

    4. Jasper Brinkley would be the best defensive player in this draft if he didn't have knee surgery in 2006. He's fully recovered and his play over 2008 has shown that he's back to full strength.

    5. You say Tony Richardson isn't going to be around forever, well neither will Hank Poteat and Ty Law. Francies would be an instant upgrade over Drew Coleman. He would have been rated a lot higher had he not been kicked off of Oregon State.

    6 and 7. Ian Johnson should go a lot higher than this, but his lack of timed speed and poor size will push him down on many team's draft boards. Jarrett Dillard is too good to pass up at this point in the draft.
     
  7. rhodesfan16

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    well I looked up Cook's stats this season and I didnt see any picks.Also I know that you dont have to go offense then defense in the draft thats just the way i envisioned the Jets drafting. I mean these are all hypothetical I understand the logic behind most of your picks nothing stands out in particular

    however I do disagree that Johnson will be drafted as a tackle, I understand that the oversized tackle is a new trend with Andre Smith and Michael Oher. But even by a oversized tackle at 330-340. Johnson trumps that number by 50 lbs. Since he has played at guard most of the time he has not been exposed to elite speed or agility rushers. While he has faced some great DT's, they were not Glenn Dorsey. Plus one (or a few teams for that matter) will fall inlove with the fact that Johnson at a guard is a much more favorable match up in terms of size against larger nose tackles.
     
  8. Mr Electric

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    Here are Cook's final stats from his 2007 sophomore season - 92 tackles, 8 TFLs, 3 INTs, and 2 FFs. This season he's leading the SEC in tackles.

    He's a former star running back - Florida and Florida State recruited him as a linebacker - so that shows he's extremely athletic and he's a sure-tackler.
     
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    Johnson is listed at 351
     
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    LSU lists him at 386, but I'm sure that's just an intimidation technique. Johnson is probably around 350-360.
     
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    if your comparisons to current pro's is even remotely on target we will be drafting future hall of famers in about 3 rds
     
  12. BakerMaker

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    I like the work Electric regarding the draft and I did read some of it but I dont think Bey would last for us thanks to Crabtree staying in school. The Maryland WR now has a legit shot as a No.1 WR and a team like Seattle would be willing to trade down or move up ahead of us for a guy like him since they need bigger targets at the position(Or any talent for that matter)

    I also dont know about finding a Marvin Harrison in round 6 or even a Rasheem Mathis in round 5. I know its nitpicking regarding picking out the comparisons and all but if they were really THAT good as far as their ceiling goes then theyd' get picked higher.

    But overall a good job, I learned something new regarding some of these guys. Not sure if I'd want a Leonard Davis clone in round 3 though.........Mangini hates the unmotivated guys.
     
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    Admittedly, I don't know much about Herzlich, but if he really is 6'4 240 he is not big enough to play either inside or outside in the 3-4. Do you think he has room to put on some muscle? To not get thrown around inside he needs at least 10 pounds. To play outside he'll need 30.
     
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    Now As I have said pretty often since the draft stuff has started arising here the past week or two, I have yet to study the draft prospects for this year yet. Now even after I have studied them, I don't claim to be anywhere near the caliber of your stuff, or many others. But Based on your Prospect comparisons, this Jets draft is capable of yielding,

    Mike Vrable, Troy Palamalu, Leonard Davis, Rashean Mathis, Marvin Harrison, Marshall Faulk and Levon Kirkland? Or at least relatively comparable players? Damn sign me up right now, and we will take it to the bank in a heart beat.

    Out of Curiosity Electric, How did you have Gholston and Keller rated before last years draft? Also Curious to know who you compare Nate Davis, and Bear Pascoe to in terms of Pro players...
     
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    You gotta realize that he's not saying that these guys are the same as those players, but he's saying that they're style of play is very similar.
     
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    I like how you doubled down there. Nice.
     
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    Well I knew that he didnt mean we were essentially getting those guys, but if they really play with the same style as there comparisons, these guys would be great additions.

    I also have to admit that Herzlich and Cook sound like potential big time players.
     
  18. Mr Electric

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    This guy hit it on the nose...

     
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    Very impressive stuff Mr. Electric. Cant begin to imagine the work that was put into this. I dont think I've seen a single post from you in the past 6 months or so that didnt mention Jasper Brinkley.

    You'd better pray as hard as I do that the Vilma trade yields a 2nd round draft pick with New Orleans. I think reality would dictate its going to end up being a 3rd rounder at best & Emanuel Cook will never get past the 2nd round.
     
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    I liked Dustin Keller a lot...especially after the combine. I didn't see the Jets drafting him. It was a total surprise move. I was one of the few guys who praised the pick right away, eventhough it was a total surprise.

    Gholston had to be the pick at 6. We were in a tough spot...

    Bear Pascoe is an old-school tight end - sort of like a Mike Ditka. He's a block first tight end...but he also has great hands and deceptive speed. When he's on the field, it's like Fresno has an extra offensive linemen out there.

    Nate Davis doesn't have ideal height, but he's tall enough. He's got a solid build too...I think he's around 220. I know guys are going to hate me for this, but Davis reminds me of a much more athletic Chad Pennington. The guys just so accurate and so smart on all of his throws. Sure, Davis has better arm strength than Chad, but so do most seven year old girls. Nate Davis is a baller -- The NEXT great MAC QB.
     
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