2008-2009 Yankees Off-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Baseball Forum' started by dwalsh, Oct 1, 2008.

  1. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

    Joined:
    May 26, 2004
    Messages:
    5,198
    Likes Received:
    3
    First, the reason they are focusing on offense should be fairly obvious. They got rid of Manny and Lowell and Ortiz are big question marks heading into the season.

    Second, if they get a big time starting pitcher, which they don't really need, it would likely be Burnett due to John Henry's love for him. But like I said, they don't really need him. Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester are a fantastic 1-2-3, and they have Wakefield and his 180-200 innings of 100+ ERA+ in the 4th spot, with Buchholz, Bowden, Masterson, and whatever veteran they bring in to compete for the 5th spot. If they don't add another starter, they still have one of the top rotations in baseball, assuming health.
     
  2. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Messages:
    13,601
    Likes Received:
    0
    Holy shit Don. Do you even read articles before you just assume they back up whatever insane point you're desperately trying to prove?

    All that article said was that the Yankees' offer was too much for anyone else to actually compete with, so in the end, regardless of where he or his wife desire him to play, he'll be a Yankee, because their offer was too big for anyone else to realistically match.

    All this proves is that the Yankees knew what they were doing when they made such a big offer to him to kick off the FA signing season.

    As for the Sox, devil already answered that question. Not that it hasn't been answered other ways already, such as the Sox and Yanks will no longer allow themselves to be made the center of bidding wars when one or the other doesn't have a clear and desperate need for that particular player.
     
  3. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2007
    Messages:
    23,098
    Likes Received:
    1,588
    That article says no such thing. Did you read it? It says nobody else is making an offer. Not because of the Yankee money, only you would think that. He already has an offer for 100 million on the table. All of those teams have the money on the west coast and nobody wants him. That's what it says. At least not yet.
     
  4. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2007
    Messages:
    23,098
    Likes Received:
    1,588
    They still scored more runs than anybody in the league not named Texas and that was without Manning for half the year. As far as Beckett is concerned they have a real legitimate concern about his health going forward. I don't think your reasons have anything to do with it. They don't want him because they know he is not worth the investment. Every team not named NY seems to know it too.

    And the Yankees who couldn't score worth a damn last year to begin with let 200 RBIs walk away and replace them with a bum named Swisher and figure that will solve their offensive problems while throwing money away or at least trying to throw it away on Sabathia. He will be extremely lucky to have more wins than Pettitte and certainly won't have as many as Mussina. All for 140 mil. Typical Cashman move.
     
    #524 Don, Dec 3, 2008
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2008
  5. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    4,235
    Likes Received:
    110
    I have an idea... why don't you just stop rooting for the Yankees? It seems you'd be happier that way. We'll be happier that way. Everybody wins.

    Maybe you could offer your analytical skills to an investment bank.
     
  6. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Messages:
    13,601
    Likes Received:
    0
    Reading comprehension. That's all I'm going to say.

    Well, and that you're wrong. But you'll be the only one who doesn't see it.
     
  7. Cellar-door

    Cellar-door Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2004
    Messages:
    2,357
    Likes Received:
    11
    Schiling and Clemens were never overweight like Sabathia is, And wells pitched a ton of years, but had knee and back problems and lots of DL trips.
     
  8. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    4,235
    Likes Received:
    110
    Schilling most definitely was.

    ...problems which didn't start showing up until he was a few years older than Sabathia would be when this six-year contract with the Yanks would end.

    I mean, people DO realize that Sabathia would only be 33 years old going into the last year of his contract, right? To again point out something that Don ignored in a previous post, it's not like signing Kevin Brown to a seven year deal when he was 34.

    And here's another question I asked before, and want Don to answer... if you are so dead set against this deal (or any long deal), why did you want Santana so badly? He's older than Sabathia, got a six-year deal, commanded just as much money, and we would have needed to give up talent to get him. How does that even come close to making sense? Please explain this to me.
     
  9. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

    Joined:
    May 26, 2004
    Messages:
    5,198
    Likes Received:
    3
    I didn't think it was possible, but there's something you know less about than the Yankees, and that's the Red Sox. First, Beckett will be fine. He had a torn oblique and has had all offseason to recover, which is more than the needed time. Also, why do they have a "real legitimate concern" about him, but not for Ortiz and Lowell who actually ARE question marks?

    And how do you figure he would win fewer games than Pettitte or Mussina? Nevermind the fact that wins are an awful measure of a pitcher, he's a far better pitcher than either of them.

    Wells was fairly durable actually. If you take out the first 3 years where he was a reliever, he averaged 190 IP, and that's including the last couple years when he hasn't pitched full seasons. He also didn't develop back problems until 2001 when he was 38 years old.
     
  10. Sundayjack

    Sundayjack pǝʇɔıppɐ ʎןןɐʇoʇ
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2003
    Messages:
    10,646
    Likes Received:
    1,046
    Are you kidding?! The Red Sox let Roger walk to Toronto because he was letting his body go and his pitching had declined. In his last year in Boston, his body was the spitting image of Sabathia's today. Suddenly moves to Toronto, meets Brian McAfee, turns into a workout machine, and that tubby bastard turned into physical specimen.

    Schilling admitted showing up fat as shit, fuhcryinoutloud. He needed weight incentives in his last Red Sox contract.
     
  11. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,035
    Likes Received:
    2,585
    when do the winter meetings start
     
  12. 17a_tailgater

    17a_tailgater Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2004
    Messages:
    10,573
    Likes Received:
    19
    december 8th to the 11th
    thats when the fun begins
     
  13. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2007
    Messages:
    23,098
    Likes Received:
    1,588
    #533 Don, Dec 5, 2008
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2008
  14. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,035
    Likes Received:
    2,585
    nice I need some Gammons fired up my ass every three minutes
     
  15. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    12,658
    Likes Received:
    5,296
    The way it looks now to me:

    Yanks trade for Peavy.
    Boston signs Teixiera.
    Yanks counter and sign Manny Ramirez
    Sabathia signs with Angels
    Yanks Sign Pettitte
     
  16. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2007
    Messages:
    23,098
    Likes Received:
    1,588
    Actually, I could be fine with that. Of course I would rather have Teixiera than Manny but Manny would be motivated at least 18 games a year. That would also save the Yankees about 75 million bucks too. They could go after one of the other two A pitchers with that.
     
  17. Sundayjack

    Sundayjack pǝʇɔıppɐ ʎןןɐʇoʇ
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2003
    Messages:
    10,646
    Likes Received:
    1,046
    The winter of redemption for Scott Boras. After the A-Hole debacle, and before that the Daisuke misread, he's probably looking at a $15-20 million winter.
     
  18. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Messages:
    13,601
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't know that I'm comfortable with a Peavy trade. First, I've already stated my point that I think his ERA would inflate in the AL East. Second, what are we going to have to give up to get him?

    I'd weep if Boston got Teixeira.

    I'd like Manny either way. Especially if he's willing to DH. Then we can dump Matsui.

    If Sabathia signs with the Angels I wouldn't be happy. I'd like to have him, and if he doesn't come here, I'd rather he pitched in the NL.

    Regardless of anything else, I'd take Pettitte back as a fifth starter if he's willing to take a large paycut. He'd be a helluva backend pitcher.
     
  19. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2007
    Messages:
    12,658
    Likes Received:
    5,296
    Nothing, the SD GM is a headcase right now. He want to cut payroll to 20 Mil, so he would take low money players or prospects.

    That Khalil Greene trade should have been vetoed.
     
  20. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    27,149
    Likes Received:
    14,434
    Texiera is not a Red Sox kind of guy though. I like him.
     

Share This Page