2008-2009 Yankees Off-Season Thread

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  1. IATA

    IATA Trolls

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    Strong attack, that one. Boston spends it's money wisely, usually.

    Best thing to ever happen to this team was the ARod deal falling through.
     
  2. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Yes, Cashman and Girardi are definitely below average at their respective positions. Whereas Jerry Manuel (with Willie before him) and Omar Minaya are bastions of leadership most others aspire to replicate.

    Speaking of overrated shortstops...

    And holes at second base...

    And first base...

    And starting pitching...

    And closers...

    Nice argument Joe.
     
  3. Cappy

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    And it's not a pressure cooker at all. The fans and media are probably the most laid back in the country.
     
  4. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    The Yankees offered salary arbitration to no one. However, Cashman claims they'll still keep communication open with Abreu and Pettitte.

    Something tells me they'll wind up signing both of them now. Perhaps they've had optimistic discussions with both camps, and in the end decided that they could bring them back without letting an arbitrator determine the price tag?

    I've been a big supporter of bringing back Abreu, as everyone knows. I'd also like to bring back Pettitte as a back-of-the-rotation guy. You can never have too much depth at pitcher.
     
  5. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    The only thing not offering arbitration does for the Yankees is assure that they won't overpay under someone else's terms. This has nothing to do with the Yankees' ability to pay salaries. That article was sensationalist crap. Yes, they're trying to save some money, but they're not doing it because they fear they won't make it back. They're just trying to be more fiscally responsible.

    You know, not pay ridiculously overblown contracts to players in the second half of their careers. The same thing many Yankees fans have been whining about for years.
     
  7. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I know. Like Paying Sabasackoshit 140 million or more for 6 years. I definitely know what you mean. So he can spend the next 3 out of 6 years on the DL eating more Twinkies.
     
  8. AlioTheFool

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    I'd really love to know exactly where you base this assumption from. His multiple yearly trips to the DL? His poor bill of health? His lack of innings?
     
  9. IATA

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    Dons lack of real argument, and his uncanny ability to pull assinine "facts" out of his ass at a moments notice.
     
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  10. Cappy

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    At this point, it's probably just from his hope that if he repeats his lie often enough, people will come to believe it.
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    His refusal to stay in shape. Want proof? Take a look at what he looked like 3 years ago, 2 years ago and then last year. I can't believe you people are so blind. I swear you deserve him.
     
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  12. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Here, you can have this one back too.

    " In his moment of need, when it was revealed Pettitte was both a liar and cheater, the Yankees stood by him last season. At that time, Pettitte was only too happy to say the Yankees were the only team he ever wanted to play for any more. He did not say he only wanted to play for the Yankees unless they offer him a paycut.The Yanks have indeed offered that cut. Pettitte made $16 million last year and, according to sources, he was offered $10 million to return in 2009. So far, Pettitte has rejected that bid while his camp has done nothing to dispel reports linking him to Joe Torre and the Dodgers.

    Pettitte's route to another team if he does leave became less complicated yesterday when the Yanks did not offer him arbitration. Thus, any team can now sign Pettitte without also having to forfeit a first-round draft pick in compensation. There are probably plenty of clubs that want Pettitte, perhaps a few who would approach $16 million or give him a multi-year deal.

    But that should be beyond the point. Last year, Pettitte announced in early December that he was revoking his retirement plans yet again. The Yanks brought him back for those $16 million and spurned Johan Santana, hoping Pettitte could do much of what Santana might. Pettitte forgot to mention one little item to the Yanks: He had spoken already to investigators from the Mitchell Report and was almost certain to be in the report.

    When he was in that report, the Yankees did not isolate Pettitte. They rallied around him. GM Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi flanked Pettitte at a press conference last Feb. 18, and Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera attended Pettitte's mea culpa. That was the one in which Pettitte told us he had been lying for years about his involvement with performance-enhancing drugs. "

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/1202200...titte_signs_elsewhere__in_bronx_he_141839.htm
     
  13. IATA

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    And his fat ass has what to do with him pitching? He obviously is an effective player, and enough teams believe he can keep in enough shape to make this deal worthwhile(like Pedro's in Boston).
     
  14. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Don, are you aware that injuries to pitcher's arms have almost nothing to do with their weight? As long as a pitcher has proper mechanics, it doesn't matter if they weigh 700 pounds. Sabathia's mechanics are very sound, and as such risk of injury is fairly low. For example...


    Here you can see how he keeps his throwing elbow below his shoulders. Raising it above leads to rotator cuff and labrum problems. Sabathia doesn't do that.
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    His timing is also excellent, in that when he plants his right foot his throwing arm is in the proper position. This eliminates the need to rush the arm motion which leads to injury.

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    He also doesn't have the habit of turning the ball away from the plate which can put extra stress on the elbow. The only thing that I see that isn't excellent is he tends to open his shoulders slightly early when he plants. This isn't something that usually leads to injury though, it mainly affects command and staying closed can add a little velocity.

    Bottom line is, there isn't anything in Sabathia's mechanics that suggests he's an injury risk.
     
  15. Cellar-door

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    to be fair you are completely neglecting the fact that overweight pitchers tend to develop knee problems and back problems, and knee problems destroy your velocity. look at willis as an example
     
  16. Sundayjack

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    Geezus, that's horrible. The NY Post headline writer should rest easy - his job is surely safe.
     
  17. devilonthetownhallroof

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    The only thing Willis is an example of is god awful mechanics. Seriously, he's an absolute mess.

    Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, and David Wells all pitched for a long time despite being heavy. The common factor? Impeccable mechanics.
     
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    I agree 100%- Fuck Andy Pettitte. He wants more than 10 mil for what? GET HIM THE FUCK OUTTA HERE ALREADY!!! I cant even look at his face anymore. And I dont need him or his 5 era
     
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    His tone was a little harsh in that article, but it's hard not to agree with him. At least a little. Particularly on the HGH stuff, where he got unyielding and vocal support from Hank.
     
  20. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Looks like nobody else wants the slob either. Notice that belly...lol. Wells at his worse never looked like this pig. You would think the Yankees would wake up before it's too late. Everybody else sees it but Cashman, as usual, is too dumb to see anything. He should take a hint from Boston who has the money and could certainly use another pitcher. They want no part of him and would rather spend the money on offense despite scoring the second most runs in the league again last year.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12032008/sports/yankees/cc_still_sitting_on_yanks_offer_141989.htm
     
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