I totally agree with you about Freeman. (Just look at his career after he left Geen Bay and Brett Favre) I think Brooks was a great receiver before he got hurt.
You definetly have to add Javon Walker to the list, he was very good with Favre. You could also argue Don Beebe, as he probably the fastest receiver Favre has ever had. Bill Schroeder was also pretty fast, but was pretty bad at running good routes.
I agree Favre made Freeman and Brooks look better than they actually were for him and Cotch/Coles are probably better duo. But Driver and Jennings are both very great WR's, better than Cotch and Coles.
Beebe and Schroeder shouldn't be on any top 10 list. All the other guys already mentioned are head and shoulders better than them. Javon Walker during his prime though was pretty damn good, gotta admit..
I forgot about Walker. Talented guy but a headcase. And now that ass whoopin' he took seems to have permanently ruined him. As far as the comparisons of Brooks/Freeman vs. Cotchery/Coles, I don't see where anyone could say that Coles/Cotchery are better. All have proven to be talented guys, and I've certainly seen a lot more of Brooks and Freeman than I have of Cotchery and Coles. The thing with Freeman that I think a lot of people don't realize is how big he was in the postseason. He had huge games in both super bowls and had a lot of big games in other postseason appearances. Tough to argue with his regular season numbers as well. Brooks also put up big time numbers in most of his postseason appearances before he tore up his knee. He had huge games in both the 1994 and 1995 playoff games at Dallas. I just haven't seen enough big plays from Coles/Cotchery yet to put them ahead of Freeman/Brooks. Hopefully we'll be seeing those guys lighting up the scoreboards in January.:jets:
How many games did Freeman and Brooks play together and both play well? I thought by the time Freeman was making big plays Brooks was already missing a ton of games with injuries
Yeah they didn't play a lot of games together when both were healthy. I didn't mean to state that it was a combined effort by the two. I'm rating them individually even though i referenced them together a couple times.
The Jets offense put up 34 points on the #1 scoring defense in the league today and only punted the ball once. They controlled the ball for over 20 minutes more than their opponents. The Titans were supposed to be one of the best defenses in the league. I definitely agree that Favre in 96 is better than Favre in 2008, but I'm saying that I think the players that he is surrounded by this year have to be considered pretty damn close to the best group he played with in Green Bay. They may have had pass protection, running game, or receivers at some points while he was there, but the Jets are really good at all of those things this year. I think any lower production the Jets put up compared to any of his other teams can be explained by him not being as good as he was in Green Bay.
I agree with you about the '96 receivers, that's why I picked last year's group as his best ever, not them. However in '96 he did have a lot of playmakers, some you did not even mention. Jackson, Beebe, Schroeder (I think he was there that year, right?), Rison. that's why I pick the '96, maybe also it's carryover as '97 team as better then this offense. It was the D that lost the superbowl to the Broncos in 97 IMO, not the O.
No doubt the defense struggled in that super bowl, but if you listen to stories told by Mark Chmura you'll end up blaming Holmgren and almost despising him for his arrogance in that game.
You mean him telling the D to just get out of the way & let the Broncos score that last TD of theirs, to save the clock? I know he got a lot of heat for that, but I'll be honest, it made sense to me.
they were going to score a FG anyways so either way they would be down by a score. makes sense to let them score to save clock IMO. but i think there were other reasons why the players and others blamed Holmgren..
Hey Asswipe, go fuck yourself and yes we are laughing at you. In many ways this is the most talented team overall. Ahman Green was for a few years the best rusher but Jones & Washington are getting it done very well. Chmura was the best TE but not as early in his career as Keller. The O line is excellent and needs tweaking on protection but got the job done. The D is just doing a job out there. Kicking?? We are scoring a ton of points against decent teams and isn't that the standard? Favre never had the talent that Brady or Manning had to work with and considering these guys were put together in August, I am amazed--from 4-12 to 8-3. Pre-season I thought 10-6 was reasonable and now that would be a disapppointment. Best team? Lets review this in December?
I am with you on that call by Holmgren but that game overall was so poorly coached, play selection was mismanaged. Elway was horrible and MH did not take advantage.
An odd coincidence, but Favre himself actually kinda backed up what I've been saying on this thread in some postgame comments today:
Uh, 323 points - currently 2nd in the league, less than a TD behind the Giants for top scoring team. If that isn't good then you have a ridiculously narrow definition of what's a 'good' offense.
That was incredibly stupid that Holmgren didn't know what down it was in that situation, but no that's not what I was referring to. I was always upset that Levens was running at will over the Broncos, and that Denver had the worst rushing defense in the history of the Super Bowl, yet GB failed to exploit that. Holmgren didn't allow it. Sterling Sharpe used to say that Holmgren would literally get offended if someone tried to tell him he couldn't throw on any down. Get down by a TD or a FG and Mike is calling pass plays left and right. Anyways...what really got me upset is the 4th down play to end the game. Chmura said that Holmgren called a play they hadn't run since early in the season, and that play called for the WRs do go about 10 yards or so downfield before even making a move in their patterns. Chmura said he broke off his route early because he knew Denver was bringing the house and that Favre wouldn't get the ball off in time if they all ran their routes as deeply as they were supposed to. That blitz that Denver employed was one they'd never seen before, and didn't adjust to it during the game. If you'll remember, that blitz forced the fumble and INT early in that game. Anyways.....Holmgren's arrogance cost GB that game. Lots of players are still upset about it....namely Chmura and Levens. There was an article about it last year I think. Ron Wolf even took a shot at Holmgren when he heard some of these things Chmura was saying.
