Is this the most talented offense Favre has been on?

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  1. chad2coles

    chad2coles Well-Known Member

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    It seems like Favre is finally comfortable with the play calling and the players around him. Is this the most talented offense he's ever been on? Sure, Favre might not be in his prime, but excluding what he can do, has he ever had a more talented O-Line, running game, and group of receivers as he does now?
     
  2. uberchink

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    Best WR's were the ones he had last year but this Jets O-line and running game are probably better so it's tough to say.


    Best Running attack: Ahman Green years in early 2000
    Best WR's: 2007 Packers
    Best Overall Offense: 1996 Packers. Not the most talented but far away the best coaching staff he's ever had.
    Most talented offense: Tough to say but you could make an argument for this Jets team I guess.
     
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  3. IrishSteveZ

    IrishSteveZ New Member

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    The late 90's Packers had a heck of a running game, Edgar "Allen Poe" Bennett and then later on it was Dorsey Levens. I would have to say his mid-late to late 90's teams were the best.
     
  4. nyjunc

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    edgar bennett and dorsey levens were not great RBs, the current duo he has now is better.

    Ahman Green at his peak was probably his best RB.

    His WR duo now is as good as he has ever had though the best WR he ever had was Sterling Sharpe.
     
  5. APK 8

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    For what they did in the West Coast Offense, Bennet and Levens were more productive than Jones and Leon. Look at the pass receiving numbers for them.

    People forget about Robert Brooks who was a dynamite reciever until injuries shortened his career. He had two 1.000 yard receiving seasons, so he stacks up well against Coles and Cotchery when he was playing. Career wise, he didn't pan out, but for three years, he was just as good. And Antonio Freeman was terrific as well.

    William Henderson was a great blocker and caught a bunch of passes as well; clearly better than Richardson is today.

    And since we are comparing offenses, we have to say thet the Packers quareterback in 1996 is better than the Jets QB this season.

    Mark Chumura and Keith Jackson provided a better combination of blocking and receiving from the tight end position than Keller and Baker give right now.

    In 1996 and 1997 the Packers were 2nd and 1st in points and 4th and 5th in yards gained. It is real difficult to beat that kind of production. Throw in the Super Bowl Championship and the argument is one sided. Let's see where things stand after this season.
     
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    Most Talented team? I doubt it. Last year's packers were pretty damn talented on both sides of the ball, with a TON of youth.

    Sure, it may be his best offensive line since the mid to early 2000's, but he's had a better O-LIne before. I mean, his entire offensive line, I believe at one point with GB when he was in his prime, all went to at least one probowl. That's amazing.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Bennett averaged 4 YPc ONCE as a Packer and it was exactly 4.0, Levens had 2 seasons over 4.0 and 1 of them he only had 121 carries. Levens highest rush/rec TD total was 12, bennett's was 10. Jones has 10 already, leon has 4. Jones is averaging 4.5 YPC, Leon 4.7.

    1996 was Bennett and levins' best season together:

    343 carries, 1465 yds, 4.3 YPC, 7 rush TDs, 62 recs, 402 yds, 6.4 avg., 6 rec TDs

    Jones/Leon this year through 10 games:

    241 carries, 1094 yds, 4.5 YPC, 11 rush TDs, 52 recs, 345 yds, 6.6 avg., 3 TDs

    through 10 games Jones/Leon have more total TDs and are only 10 recs away from their 16 game total.

    Prorarting Jones/Leon through 16 games

    386 carries, 1750 yds, 18 rush TDs, 83 recs, 552 yds, 5 TDs

    it's not really that close.

    Robert brooks had just 2 1,000 yd seasons and only more than 60 recs ONE time.

    Richardson is just a blocker for us and a great one, Henderson gets the overall edge b/c he was used more in the O.

    I think keller will be better than keith jackson(in his GB years towards the end of his career) and Chmura but yes those guys were better than what he has this year.

    The thing is Favre just came here a month before the season, of course playing in GB and w/ those players he had better production in those years but He has some of the best talent he has ever had around him right now.
     
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    This board is so manic. If we loose next week we will be taking about how much O sucks.
     
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    Sterling Sharpe was pretty damn good
     
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    Maybe on paper but, i don't think Coles or Cotchery have been 100% all year....

    And he could use a consistent deep threat.
     
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    Yeah, I don't think the Jets WRs this season would rank in the Top 10 of the best Favre has worked with.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I don't think so either plus they haven't played together long but sheer talent wise they are as good as any duo he has had to throw to.
     
  13. slimjasi

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    ridiculous comment. I challenge you to name only 7 receivers Favre has worked with who are better than both Coles and Cotchery.
     
  14. uberchink

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    Yea, his best WR was Sharpe, though he had some pretty bad injuries to deal with week in week out by the time brett got there.

    His best duo though was easily Jennings/Driver last year.
     
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    Just cuz the O sucks doesn't mean the players are any less talented. Talent measures their potential not their production. And as far as individual players go, I think this is a very talented team. Whether that turns into production is another story.. chemistry, practice, coaching, a lot can affect that.
     
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    You guys are smoking dope......are you kidding me?

    How are the Jets 2008 offense even considered good? No wr's, average HB in Jones and an over the hill OL. Just now getting a bit of production out of the TE spot and you say best offense? You guys are nuts.
     
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    I'm just looking at individual players. I don't think the 1996 Packers were the most talented Offense but they did have a great coaching staff and they all clicked. I mean looking back to a couple years ago in 2006 no one thought the Packers offense could be any good when Favre said it was the most talented team he's been on. Look what happened in '07
     
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    This has to be sarcasm.......
     
  19. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    :rofl: :rofl:

    seriously?

    "Over the hill offensive line" = possibly the most ignorant comment posted on this board in quite some time (and that is saying a lot). The Jets are top 10 in rushing (Thomas Jones leads the AFC in rushing) and LEAD THE LEAGUE in average TIME OF POSSESSION per game (Tied for 1st with Arizona) and LEAD THE LEAGUE in scoring drives over 5 minutes long. Yeah, their offensive line sucks. (They easily have one of the top five offensive lines in the league)

    "no Wrs" - ????? Jerricho Cotchery???? (have you seen his stats for the last 3 seasons with Chad pennington and Kellen Clemens throwing to him? Better yet, did you see the Jets-Patriots game last thursday night? Have you EVER watched him play? Is your brain dying?) Laveranues Coles???? (have you seen HIS career stats? Have you ever watched HIM play?)

    "average HB" - Thomas Jones is top five in the entire league in both rushing yards and Yards/carry since 2001. (He actually might be as high as third in rushing yards but I know he is top 5 in both. He is also way up there in rushing TDs since 2001 - and he had only one all of last season)
     
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    our O-lines given up a lot of sacks though, IIRC
     

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