When was Favre pressured in that Arizona game? you can deflect all you want w/ the insults but that doesn't change your weak argument. Have you watched the man play? he's done all of those things and leading your team on a 2 min drive against KC when the reason you needed that drive was b/c the QB stunk is not something to crow about.
Weak argument? I like to refer to that as reality. Find me some youtube clips of a winning Pennington 2 minute drive. Good luck, bud. Right because Chad NEVER has a bad game. At least when Brett does have a bad game, there's a possibility that he can bring them back for the win. In fact, he's done it 41 TIMES! How many times has Chad done it?
The Chad Rule: Do not be aggressive because you might make a mistake. And when your arm sucks that bad, you can't overcome those mistakes. He's like the French Military of QBs.
i think the jets probably could be 5-3 with chad at this point. ill still take favre any day of the week. for all that chad does well he lacks two important things to me. one is the ability to throw the deep ball at any time. i know chad lovers like to debate that one but be real he has nowhere near the arm that favre has. the second thing that chad lacks to me is that ability that only the greats have, and that is the ability to win a game by himself. favre has the ability to put a team on his back and win a game. while that has not happened yet this year at some point we will get a win that we had no business winning because favre played out of his mind. i completely agree that this team could have the same record with chad right now give or take a game. but when we get later into the year and hopefully into the playoffs i will take my chance with one of the best qbs to ever play the game.
Junc has a problem with seeing the entire picture. He'd rather save a penny than possibly investing it and win big. Life is a slow moving marathon in his eyes. Complete safety. That's fine and all if you want to live like the bubble-boy. Just his philosophy in life. That's why he idolizes a QB that would rather take a sack than run for the first down.
Actually, I don't think Chad makes it past the Raider game. He'd be waiving a white towel on the sidelines.
It boggles my mind why Jet fans have such issues w/ "letting go" of former QB's. The Vinny talk started to get out of hand a few years back and now we constantly have to hear about Chad. Just let it go!
Unless you have a monster D that can win games for you, conservative O rarely works out. That's why Chad will never wear a ring. That's why Herm will never wear a ring. That's why Marty Schottenheimer will never wear a ring.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playb..._by_play&season=2003&week=REG10&override=true http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playb..._by_play&season=2003&week=REG12&override=true http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29100&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2006&week=REG16 He's had plenty of others to tie and plenty to win game slate that weren't in the final minute but w/ a few mins left. The only bad game Brett had where he brought us back for a W was against KC, that's a game we aren't trailing at that point w/ Chad. He played poorly against NE, SD, Cincy, Oak and KC and we he led us back just once in those games. That's not a good ratio. The brillaint point by Johnny Johnson was that we'd lose the AZ game b/c Chad couldn't play under pressure when favre wasn't pressured all game. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...dseason_report_card_gang_green_is.html?page=0 Favre holds onto it too long, that's why he is taking hits. These are hits Chad wouldn't be taking b/c he doesn't hold onto it waiting for a big play.
well we will never know, and i dont really care if he would have or not. no matter what the circumstances ill take favre over chad any day of the week. i just also feel that when people say we could be 5-3 with chad right now that they are probably right. this is a very good team without favre on it.
You found 3 of them?!?!?!? THat's like 2 more than I expected! Good work Matlock! Where are the other 39? You can take the last sentence for the Favre/KC comment too.
That's the beautiful thing about life; we can disagree. We've watched how many years of Pennington crumbling under pressure?
Here's the greatest part of this: 1-10-NYJ 6 (3:00) C.Pennington pass to C.Martin to NYJ 11 for 5 yards (M.Peterson). 2-5-NYJ 11 (2:38) C.Pennington pass to J.Carter pushed ob at NYJ 18 for 7 yards (F.Bryant). Penalty on JAC-R.Mathis, Illegal Use of Hands, declined. 1-10-NYJ 18 (2:34) C.Pennington pass to C.Martin to NYJ 26 for 8 yards (M.Peterson). 2-2-NYJ 26 (2:13) C.Pennington pass incomplete to J.Carter. PENALTY on JAC-F.Bryant, Defensive Pass Interference, 27 yards, enforced at NYJ 26 - No Play. 1-10-JAC 47 (2:04) C.Pennington pass incomplete to S.Moss. Two-Minute Warning 2-10-JAC 47 (2:00) C.Pennington pass to C.Conway ran ob at JAC 43 for 4 yards. 3-6-JAC 43 (1:55) C.Pennington pass to C.Martin to JAC 29 for 14 yards (R.Mathis). 1-10-JAC 29 (1:31) C.Pennington pass to C.Martin to JAC 22 for 7 yards (M.Peterson, K.Thomas). 2-3-JAC 22 (1:10) C.Pennington pass incomplete to C.Conway. 3-3-JAC 22 (1:04) C.Pennington pass to J.Sowell pushed ob at JAC 8 for 14 yards (K.Thomas, F.Bryant). 1-8-JAC 8 57) C.Pennington pass to C.Martin to JAC 3 for 5 yards (R.Meier, F.Bryant). 5 yards......7 yards.... 4 yards.....Holy shit man. And you KNOW the ones to C-Mart and Sowell were mostly YAC. And not to mention, it's quite impressive that he led a comeback against a 1-15 team. Kinda like Brett in KC that you keep railing on. But you had to go waaaayyyy back to 03 to find 2 of the 3. And you're still 39 shy of swaying my opinion.
i agree with you. chad tends to fall on his face when he is getting heavy pressure on him. this offense would be very different if chad was still the qb though. i dont think we come out in a spread vs oakland. i believe chad could probably have won 5 games this year. but not the same 5 that we won with favre. no way chad beats the bills on the road. maybe he beats oakland.
It's funny, because I don't know if it was the OL or just the Raiders fired up or what, but the Raiders were getting insane pressure on Favre. I remember thinking that for such a shit team, they seemed to be crushing our line pretty easily. Pretty similar to the Bills game actually, and finally the O adjusted and started beating them with the screen, draws and dumps. Junc: See that's when you dump short, when you have an aggressive D. I know this seems like complex stuff but, it's been well documented. Dump passes aren't the greatest way to make a living.
First of you said there weren't any and again there are plenty where he tied games late to send it to OT or watch the D blow it OR win games late just not in the final minute. Jacksonville was 1-15 in 2003? Where do you make this stuff up? Chad might have 39 more if a)he played as long and b)he threw more to the other team to keep other teams in games. It was pressed upon favre to get rid of it quciky, in oak they relied on Favre to be samrt enough but he wasn't as he kept looking for the big play, holding onto it too long and taking hits he shouldn't have been taking but keep making excuses why Favre led us to 13 pts in 5 qtrs against a team that has already changed coaches and is on the verge of dismantling their team midseason.
