Why the jets won't be worse then last year - a realistic view

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  1. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    So everything thinks the jets are tanking. That we will be worse then we were last year. Well i don't think that's true. I'm going to break down exactly why. Also we still won 5 games last year so the thoughts of 0-2 wins this season sounds like nonsense. yes we were one of the worst teams last year, but clearly not the worst (hence picking 6th overall not 1st) and we had a tough schedule that is a bit easier this year. lets look at the positional breakdown

    Offense

    QB - (same or better) - This year the QB play can't possibly be worse then the performance fitz put on last year. 2 of the QBs are the same ones from last years roster and I find it hard to believe that if josh was to start, he'd do worse then fitz. We had what was possibly the worst QB last season in jets history, and this is a team that fielded brooks bollinger at QB. Worse case it's as bad as last year, best case hack improved enough to make it better then what we saw last season

    WR - (Better) - Yeah we cut decker and marshall. So what. decker missed the whole season anyway, and marshall played gimpy and was largely ineffective. Our 2 best WRs last year were anderson and enunwa and they will be starting this season. We also have peake and marshal going into year 2 that looked good as rookies and a 3rd and 4th round Draft picks. No way we could be worse off then last year. we have young hungry players and our best ones have more experience now. We also have a lot of size and speed

    TE - (Better) - last season started off with practically nothing at TE. We were able to land ASJ after being cut from TB for a DUI, but he has talent. if he can stay healthy he can be a weapon for sure. We also drafted legget. Short story is no way can the TE situation be as bad as last year

    O-line (Better) - once again, many of the players we lost were becoming old and inffective or missed time. Shell looked really good at RT last season. We added in Beahcum at LT who can't play worse then clady who got hurt anyway. winters and carpenter are solid guards, johnson did a great job filling in at C last season.

    RB (same) - RB is the same as last year. a split between forte and powell. You could even argue it'll be better with powell seeing more carries as he did much more then forte.

    Overall i'd say the offense is better or the same across the board. Doesn't mean it'll be great but it should be better then the shit show of 2017


    Defense

    D-line (better) - wilk was coming off an injury and didn't look himself. he's loked much better so far this offseason and healthy. He's also out to prove he is worth the deal he got. Richardson won't be suspended again and is in a contract year so is motivated, williams is in his 3rd season and has gotten better every year and is an absolute beast. We should have at worst a top 5 d-line in the NFL possibly top 2 or 3

    ILB (Same or better) - lee can't play as bad as he id last year. he has more experience now. harris was a loss as a leader but he was a 2 down backer. all out LBers now are young, fast and have a little experience.

    OLB (same or better) - This is probably the weakest area, 2 young guys but at elast they now have some experience and are healthy. same guys as last year but with more experiance

    CB (better) - no way can clayborne play as bad as revis did last year. when healthy he's actually a really good CB. skrine is the same in the nickel spot and the number 2 could be better with burris possibly stepping up, williams bouncing back, or even a rookie making a splash. still again no way it can be as bad as last season

    S (better) - pryor and ghilcrest gone. ghil missed most of the season anyway and pryor blew too many assignments. we got the 6th overall pick adams plus 2nd rounder maye back there now. Should be a large improvement


    So overall the way I see it is, we will be as good if not better, but no way we could possibly be worse. all the players we cut weren't doing much anyway or missed most of last season
     
  2. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    Great post man. Especially with regards to last years QB play.

    I'll also add that despite Ryan Fitzpatrick ranking...

    24th in fumbles (9).
    26th in average yards per attempt (6.7)
    27th in INT's thrown (17).
    28th in passing yards (2,710).
    28th in completed passes (228).
    28th in offensive 1st downs (128).
    29th in passing TD's (12).
    29th in completion percentage (56.6%).
    30th in QB Rating (69.6).

    The Jets still finished with 5 wins under coach Todd Bowles; despite ranking 26th in offensive yards and 30th in scoring offense.

    When speaking in terms of 2017 and next season, some fans have already forgotten just how bad Fitzpatrick truly was last year.

    It's funny.

    They also seem to forget that despite having the NFL's worst QB play (or lack thereof) not only did NY still win 5 games under coach Bowles, but 4 of our loses were by 5 points or less (for a combined 13 points).

    With improved QB play, despite all of the ugly (everywhere else) 2016 could have easily been an 8-9 win team.

    There is no way that Hackenberg can look as bad as Shitztragic did and our defense should also be much improved come 2017.

    Not only that but you can not consider the likes of Revis, Harris, Clady, Mangold, Gilchrist & Fitzpatrick as being 2017 "loses".

    Those guys mentioned above are all either done and/or washed up as NFL players. You can't even consider Decker as a 2017 "loss" due to missing 13 games last year throughout 2016.

    Despite what the media critics may claim, because they're not looking at the big picture (performance wise) but if healthy; i find it hard to believe that a bunch of young/hungry athletes could be any worse come 2017 than when compared to what we seen throughout all of 2016.
     
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  3. stinkyB

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    Don't drink bong water dude...
     
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  4. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    Are you suggesting and/or saying that the 2016 performances (or lack thereof) from players such as Fitzpatrick, Decker, Kellen Davis (7 starts), Clady, Revis, Gilchrist and/or Pryor will be missed on the football field come 2017?

    If so, I'd say that you should be the one to lay off and put down the crack pipe or whatever you're smoking.

    Because those players mentioned above were all down right awful last year.

    Mangold and Harris were both aging as well and shells of what they once were.

    And i can easily imagine Wilkerson & Richardson having a bounce back year on our D-Line.

    Not to mention all of the experience gained by 2016's youth who are all returning ala Enunwa, Robby, Peake, Jalin and Wesley Johnson on offense and Lee, Williams, Mauldin, Jenkins and Miles on defense.

    All of those young bucks played a lot last year and should be better off due to playing time earned and experience gained alone.

    I'm not calling for a postseason run or playoff birth but with an easier schedule i see no way possible 2017's season could get any uglier when compared to 2016's disaster (starting with Fitz and ending in Revis).

    I just don't see it.
     
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    and how is the schedule "easier" ?
     
  6. nicg4360

    nicg4360 Well-Known Member

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    I agree and add one thing. We will also not have to endure the same repetitive, predictable playcalling from Gailey. It was so frustrating. I'm looking forward to seeing what Morton has in store for '17.
     
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  7. Martin&theJETS

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    The schedule is either just as difficult or more difficult than '16. We keep getting ****ed.
     
  8. Glenn G

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    I don't get any of this rose colored glasses stuff. This team has been gutted
    You are saying QB can't be worse? Based on what? There is a thread in this forum that is titled Hack is still missing open receivers. Petty for all of everyones hopes is not going to be the guy either. He has zero pocket presence which is part of the reason he went on IR.
    Ypu said TE will be better? Rrally? Both TE are huge "?'s". Leggett may be a total zero for all anyone knows and ASJ has a lot to prove. As bad as our TE's were, he barely saw the field.
    OL. Let me say this. All of them would be backups on any other team except Winters.
    Wr who knows. There were some flashes but we have nobody to throw them the ball.
    D all we have are DL. All the LB's are question marks, two rookie S's , one corner who is alwaya hurt, and another who is very over rated
    And on top of this all, we will be installing a new O.
    If you think any of this spins positively, more power to you
     
  9. nicg4360

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    The OP was stating about the team being as good as last year's....not necessarily better but as good as....I agree they are.
    The team has been gutted? Sure has...of underperforming overpaid over the hill vets that did not contribute at all last year. Decker was great but barely played last year. People wanted Harris gone last year. Clady....um sucked. Mangold played barely at all when he did he um...sucked. Marshall was a big baby for the better part of the year. Revis....oh Revis...do we even need to say anything. Everyone else that got purged didn't mean much.
    What really did the jets do that made this roster that much worse if at all. Yea on paper it looks like a massive redo but look at the guys trying to get signed that are FA's. Most of them have not even been signed by other teams. Even mevis is still a FA.
    Really Fitz...you claim Fitz is a better scenario. I'd say this crop of '17 QBs may not be better but they sure ain't worse.
    The TE's yea they are better this year. How could they not be. They will be better because Morton will use them. Unlike Gailey.

    This team improved by process of elimination.
     
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  10. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    When in regards to and in terms of COMING INTO THE SEASON?

    I don't even know how this was a question...

    Hindsight is always 20/20 when in regards to what happens throughout the course of a season, but in terms of S.O.S at this same time of last offseason (heading into 2016), when compared to our S.O.S at this time of this offseason (heading into 2017)?

    And it's no secret that 2017's schedule is softer and/or 2016's schedule was harder (coming into the season that is).

    2016's schedule (and what our opponents record of 2015 was)...

    When compared to...

    2017's schedule (and what our opponents record of 2016 was)...

    And it most certainly appears (while coming into the season) as if 2017's schedule is easier than what we were facing when compared to coming into 2016's schedule.

    2016's Schedule (Coming In):
    @ Arizona's (2015 Record): 13-3.
    Vs. Bengals (2015 Record): 12-4.
    @ Kansas City's (2015 Record): 11-5
    Vs. Seahawks (2015 Record): 10-6.
    @ Pittsburgh's (2015 record): 10-6.
    Vs. Colts (2015 Record): 8-8.
    Vs. Rams (2015 Record): 7-9.
    Vs. Ravens (2015 Record): 5-11.
    @ San Fran's (2015 Record): 5-11.
    @ Cleveland's (2015 Record): 3-13.

    Non-Divisional Opponents Combined For A Record of: 84-76 (.525%) while heading into 2016.

    2017's Schedule (Coming In):
    @ Oakland (2016 Record): 12-4.
    Vs. Chiefs (2016 Record): 12-4.
    Vs. Falcons (2016 Record): 11-5.
    @ Tampa Bay (2016 Record): 9-7.
    @ Denver (2016 Record): 9-7.
    @ New Orleans (2016 Record): 7-9.
    Vs. Panthers (2016 Record): 6-10.
    Vs. Chargers (2016 Record): 5-11.
    Vs. Jaguars (2016 Record): 3-13.
    @ Cleveland (2016 Record): 1-15.

    Non-Divisional Opponents Combine For A Record of: 75-85 (.468%) while heading into 2017.

    Our Non-Divisional opponents record and winning percentage (from the year before) while heading into 2016 was 84-76 overall and a winning percentage of .525%.

    When compared to...

    Our Non-Divisional Opponents Record and Winning Percentage (from the year before) while heading into 2017 is 75-85 overall and a winning percentage of .468%.

    But hey, I guess that's what happens when you finish 10-6 and 2nd place of your division when compared to 5-11 and dead last of your division the following season. I never knew it were some type of NFL secret...
     
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  11. HomeoftheJets

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  12. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    I'll add that not only did he never use TE's but he did an awful job of creating plays for Forte to get into open space. Forte had a career low in both receptions and receiving yards.

    This year I'm hopeful that Powell will be our featured back on 1st and 2nd downs, while Matt Forte becomes our 3rd down HB due to his veteran pass protection ability along with his ability to catch out of the backfield and even line up in the slots.

    Forte said it best after the season ended. He was confused on both 1.) why Powell was not utilized more on 1st & 2nd downs (5.5 yards per carry) and 2.) Why Forte himself was not utilized more as a 3rd down specialist.

    With Morton I'm at least pretty confident that we'll now see Powell as our work horse HB on 1st & 2nd downs while at the same time keeping an older Forte fresh while having him contribute more within 3rd down packages (especially in obvious passing situations).
     
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  13. DarrelleRevis.Human?

    DarrelleRevis.Human? Well-Known Member

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    You clearly didn't watch any Texans games last year...
     
  14. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    Brock Osweiler while pretty bad, was still better than that of Ryan Fitzpatrick.

    Record:
    Brock: 8-6.
    Ryan: 3-8.

    Yards Per Game:
    Brock: 197.1.
    Ryan: 193.6.

    Completion Percentage:
    Brock: 59.0%
    Ryan: 56.6%.

    TD's:
    Brock: 15 (1 per every 34 pass attempts).
    Ryan: 12 (1 per every 33.5 pass attempts).

    INT's:
    Brock: 16 (1 INT per every 31.8 attempts).
    Ryan: 17 (1 INT per every 23.7 attempts).

    Fumbles:
    Brock: 5 (1 fum per every 102 drop backs).
    Ryan: 9 (1 fum per every 44.7 drop backs).

    QB Rating:
    Brock: 72.2.
    Ryan: 69.6.

    Both sucked but I'm sorry. Overall. Ryan Fitzpatrick was the NFL's worst starting QB last year. These statistics and rankings (below) does not lie...


    24th in fumbles (9).
    26th in average yards per attempt (6.7)
    27th in INT's thrown (17).
    28th in passing yards (2,710).
    28th in completed passes (228).
    28th in offensive 1st downs (128).
    29th in passing TD's (12).
    29th in completion percentage (56.6%).
    30th in QB Rating (69.6).

    For you to even state that Brock Osweiler was worse than Fitzpatrick, that must mean that...

    "You clearly didn't watch any Jet games last year"...
     
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    I hate to tell you, but jerking off is not the same as getting fucked.
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    I thought it was due to the ol exposing him hideously and him taking a double hit with zero chance of avoiding it, well unless he had a jetpack strapped to his back.
     
  17. Cman68

    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Lets not let Petty hate get in the way of facts here shall we??
     
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    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    and you see how many wins?
     
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    3-13 is my bet.
     
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  20. GREG

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    4 wins max with this team and I am not even sure they can get to 4. We all want the Jets to win but the playoffs are not happening so I would rather they end up near the top of the draft if not with the #1 pick. The Jets have got to find that franchise QB that could set this organization up for the next 10-12 years. Anyway you look at 2017 is going to be a long year at MetLife.
     

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