Week 7 Discussion

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  1. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Ballsy move right there
     
  2. Martin&theJETS

    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the 2pt gives the defense a little boost of confidence, who knows.
     
  3. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    Yeah, which is why I wouldn't go for two at all, and have a 100% chance of going to overtime.
     
  4. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    You have the amazing Barkley and you do two quarterback sneaks?
     
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    Kris 15 Well-Known Member

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    Well that was just stupid.
     
  6. NYJ79

    NYJ79 Well-Known Member

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    What the fuck was that playcalling?!?
     
  7. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    What a poor job of clock management right there.
     
  8. HomeoftheJets

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    But what are the Giants odds of winning in overtime? In the long run the Falcons are the better team, so those odds have to be less than 50%. In reality the odds of making a 2 point conversion are also less than 50%, but there are also nonzero odds of missing one of the extra points. So I'm not saying going for 2 in general is definitely a good idea (because I don't know the exact probabilities), but it might have been the right play.

    Also, the Giants just made the second 2 pointer, so if not for the field goal, the game would be tied right now. Though I will say the QB sneaks were plain dumb.
     
  9. forevercursed

    forevercursed Well-Known Member

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    Shurmur and Quinn are just morons beyond belief

    BEYOND BELIEF
     
  10. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    Okay, we can all agree that the decision to go for two wasn't the worst one of the last few minutes.
     
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  11. HomeoftheJets

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    Hot take: After seeing Sanchez and Geno from 2012-2014, I don't think Eli is as bad as people are making him out to be, and the Giants' problems run much deeper than Eli.
     
  12. forevercursed

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    How about Super Bowl gag artist Dan Quinn who somehow drops the prevent defense with 2 minutes to go up two scores (exactly when you should be playing it since the Giants had 0 timeouts).
     
  13. Trainer

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    Wow... bad clock management, bad play calling, no time-outs left, nothing happening in the red zone, offensive line is a sieve. In every area we complain about the Jets, the Giants are worse.
    Eli has 2 legit blue chip weapons in Barkley and OBJ - imagine if Sam had weapons like that.
     
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    It looks like this is Eli's last year with the Giants.
     
  15. forevercursed

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    They should trade him at this point. And just all out tank. 1-15 and get the 1st
     
  16. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Man, that was an enjoyable game. Giants loss always gives me a hearty laughter. HAHAHAHAHAHA
     
  17. Trainer

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    Nobody will bite on that trade. He's done.
     
  18. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    I have to admit that I'm starting to get worried that they're so bad that they'll only win 2 or 3 games and get another crack at a quarterback. Picking Barkley would still remain the wrong decision, but they might end up getting away with it and end up with Barkley and a quarterback.

    They only play two more AFC teams, so it's not even like they can help the Jets out by unexpectedly winning games out of conference. I have family in Philly, so I guess I can root for them against Washington next week.
     
  19. HomeoftheJets

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    Math behind why Shurmur's decision was correct. Assume probability of getting 1 is 100%, probability of getting 2 is 50%, probability of winning in OT is 50%, the Giants get 2 TDs, and the Falcons don't score again (the Falcons did score again making the whole thing moot):

    Go for 1 both times: 100% of the time the game goes into overtime, so probability of winning is 50%.
    Go for 2 both times: 25% of the time the Giants win, 50% of the time the game goes into overtime, and 25% of the time the Giants lose. So probability of winning is 50%.
    Go for 1 the first time and 2 the second: 50% of the time the Giants win and 50% of the time the Giants lose. So probability of winning is 50%.

    Go for 2 the first time and use the outcome to decide what to do the second time (which is what Shurmur did):

    50% of the time the Giants convert the first two pointer. Then they kick the extra point and win.
    25% of the time the Giants miss the first two pointer and make the second, sending the game into overtime.
    25% of the time the Giants miss both two pointers and lose.

    So the probability of winning is 50% + half of 25%, or 62.5%.
     
  20. Zach

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    Herbert? Let'em have him.
     

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