Trout vs Cabrera for AL MVP

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  1. Yisman

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    He was pointing out that guys who have had even better years did not win the Triple Crown, because there is an element of luck added to the equation.

    So would you say Cabrera's 2012 season is superior to Ruth's 1921 season?
     
  2. Don

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    That means nothing unless they have better years in the same year..when all of the pitchers that are pitching are being faced by the same people, when the ball is exactly the same, etc..comparing Albert Pujols to Yastremski 36 years later may set the record for ridiculous blogging drivel. There will always be somebody who has a better year in the next century or two but that doesn't take away from what you did in the year you did it.
     
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    OK Don, now explain how the writer was saying that someone should win the Triple Crown every year.
     
  4. Barry the Baptist

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    While you're reasoning is stupid because the Angels play in a much better division and had a better record as they should because they have better players. However in spite of your reasoning I agree that he should get it because it's safe to say that without Cabrera the Tigers don't win the division. He has carried them on his back into the playoffs. Watching a bit of the Angels albiet not that much the last month I think the Angels would probably be in similar scenarion without Trout.
     
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    You are penalizing Trout because the White Sox are worse than the Athletics and Rangers.
     
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    It's got to be Cabrera. He is probably going to win the triple crown. I think Trout is well deserving, but Cabrera has absolutely raked this year.
     
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    I'm penalizing Tour because his offensive numbers aren't as good as Cabrera's. While his numbers would be better if he had a full season of at bats.. that's just too bad.
     
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    Trout and it's not really close. And it's not a battle of this "new school" vs "old school" crap. Defense and baserunning matter. And Cabrera only had a <40 point higher OPS than Trout. Do 40 points make up the difference between gold glove caliber defense, ~50 SB at a >90% rate as opposed to bad defense and 4 SB? Hell no.

    And if you want to talk about "rare" feats, then Trout has that edge too. First player EVER to hit 30 homers, steal 45, and score 125 runs in a season.
     
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    Good lord that's some of the worst reading comprehension I've ever seen.
     
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    Obviously, when there's a 60 year gap between triple crown winners, and those seasons that win it are hardly a 1-in-60 quality year, it takes exponentially more luck to have a year where there are no 1-category standouts, than to have a winner "every year". Pretty elementary probability/variance logic.
     
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    Homerun or bust. This team will go nowhere in the postseason against the best pitching.
     
  12. Yisman

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    Trout faced stronger pitching. Compare the pitching in the AL West to the AL Central. It's no contest.

    Then think about the ballparks. Three of the 4 AL West parks (including the Angels home stadium) are clear pitcher's parks.

    Adjust for that, and Trout's hitting stats would grade out higher than Cabrera's anyway, and that's without taking into account baserunning and defense.
     
  13. Murrell2878

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    Cabrera without a doubt.
     
  14. NJJ_Jersey_Jets

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    Me and my friends played against Trout in HS. Best friend gave up his last HR, NJ State record. The Triple Crown is an outdated prize. It's a fact that all three stats are overrated. Trout does much more things on the baseball than Cabrera does. He doesn't have Prince Fielder protecting him. He plays incredible defense. He's a nightmare on the bases. Cabrera is an atrocious defensive player and clogs up the base paths. Trout for MVP
     
  15. talisaynon

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    Triple Crown winner and MVP Miguel Cabrera.

    This isn't like inducting Jim Rice to the HOF, Trout probably had the better season, but I'm impressed with the triple crown all the same.

    Triple Crown! Imagine
     

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